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Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by distantaidenn on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:31AM (#22421099)
Living in Tokyo and just returned from Seoul yesterday. It's striking how differently the countries are handling this issue. Korea is pretty much on lockdown -- the government and the population are being quite proactive. Masks everywhere, thermal guns at junctions with high human traffic. Water fountains shut down, etc. Even the airport staff at the eateries were undergoing temperature checks before interacting with customers.

Coming back to Japan; however, people seem kind of unconcerned in comparison. The airport was business as usual and no visible increase in mask usage.

I went to a GP just this morning for a shoulder injury and noticed some of the staff weren't wearing any face protection, and a few wearing them incorrectly. It was a bit unnerving, to be honest.

I have a feeling Tokyo is about to have a huge outbreak any day now. I'm not one to fear-monger, but knowing how casual people can be when out and about (unchecked coughing/sneezing, subpar handwashing in public toilets), it almost seems inevitable especially given how crowded this city is. As a resident, I'd like us to step up our precaution game before we hit infection levels that we are seeing with our neighbors -- but I'm afraid it might already be too late.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by dahdum on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:50AM (#22421197)
I’m in Tokyo and having a very different experience than you, nearly everyone on the trains are wearing masks and all customer facing staff I see now. Someone hit the emergency button on the train a few days ago because someone was coughing without one (there was a PSA asking people not to do that).

It’s mostly foreigners I see walking around without masks now, but I agree it’s still ramping up. I honestly don’t see the US getting close to this level of prevention, so if it fails here it’s going to be devastating there.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by distantaidenn on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:56AM (#22421227)
It might be the contrast that makes it so striking to me. South Korea is in full-on alert mode. As I said, in comparison, it seems like business as usual here.

Going from airport (ICN) to airport (HND) amid this really drove it home.

But yes, I am definitely noticing some measures happening here. Mask shortages, a few companies shifting to remote work, etc.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by boring_twenties on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:43AM (#22422775)
In the US we have an additional problem that 2 weeks of hospitalization means certain bankruptcy for many people (myself included). So it might be rather difficult to get people to voluntarily show up for tests and such.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by Gene_Parmesan on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:24AM (#22423730)
I mean, if it hits here in a big way something is going to have to happen with this. Whether you're in a hospital for a 2 week quarantine, or laid up in bed for 2 weeks because you're sick -- either way you're going to have 2 weeks where you aren't working.

Beyond that, if it REALLY hits here, you're going to have entire businesses shut down temporarily. I saw a CDC estimate that if it goes pandemic, we should expect 40% - 70% of the population to contract it. Imagine your place of employment, but with half of its employees out sick.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by boring_twenties on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:53AM (#22424065)
Either way you're going to have 2 weeks where you aren't working, but in one of the ways you also have a $100,000+ bill.

I can survive 2 weeks without work, but I simply can't pay a bill like that no matter what I do.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by Gene_Parmesan on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @11:08AM (#22424224)
This is why I said they're going to have to do something. When quarantines are imposed there is going to have to be some national consideration paid to these questions.

We are talking about quarantines. In other words, forced. Containing the virus as much as possible is well within the sphere of national security concerns. I don't know what the answer is, but if the CDC, HHS, and the government writ large are going to be serious about containing it, they are going to have to come up with some sort of solution that most definitely does not discourage people from self-reporting illness, and also doesn't bankrupt the populace.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by toyg on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:17AM (#22423651)
This is the sort of thing one would worry about in developing countries. It's so sad that it's an issue in one of the richest countries on the planet.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by boring_twenties on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @11:03AM (#22424167)
Not just sad, but terrifying.

Imagine you have no insurance, had contact with a coronavirus case, and are now feeling ill. What do you do?

If you do the right thing, you're looking at a 100% chance of having your financial life permanently destroyed.

If you just stay home and ride it out, it looks like you've got an 80% or so (correct me if I'm wrong?) chance of being perfectly fine in a week or two.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by starlust2 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @12:12PM (#22424954)
2 weeks is a mild case. Severe cases last up to 6 weeks.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by rogy on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @03:17AM (#22421328)
on a side note, i have a week of PTO booked in tokyo then a week in kyoto/osaka, leaving friday. do you think its safe to travel?
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by graeme on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:58AM (#22422926)
Booked when? Even if booked tomorrow, you’d be there two weeks.

Consider Korea. Two weeks ago, 28 cases, same as they had has for weeks. The current outbreak in confirmed cases only began growing one week ago, on Feb 19th.

The country is now entering lockdown, and some countries are banning flights from Korea.

If your flight leaves, say, tomorrow, you risk the same happening by the time you leave.

If it leaves further in the future, you have the good fortune of being able to wait and observe. If it gets worse you maybe able to get refunds on flights/hotels. Either directly or via cc. (As flights may be cancelled)

If it gets better, you can keep it. But if you leave now you’re taking a gamble you won’t have a lockdown before the end of it. This is moving fast, and japan is reporting new cases daily.

Note: the risk profile of being in a place is different from living in a place. If you live in a place you can just stay home. If you travel you have all manner of dependencies, and none of your usual supplies.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by claudeganon on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:49AM (#22422183)
No, the handling of the situation is worse than has been widely reported in the west. Japan is functionally doing nothing to contain it’s spread right now:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-japan...

Japan has very poor rankings on press freedom, reporters are routinely fired for questioning the government, and Abe has a long history of being a dishonest, self-serving, authoritarian.

https://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-japan-press-freedom...

They should be responding like Korea has been, but instead are just ignoring the situation.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by electriclove on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @12:43PM (#22425277)
Yup.. because the games must go on!! /s
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by refurb on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:38AM (#22423240)
I just got back from a trip to Asia 2 weeks ago.

Be prepared for travel disruptions. My connecting flight was canceled when my destination country decided no more flights from not only China, but a few surrounding countries.

Had to buy alternative tickets last minute to take a detour and get where I wanted to go.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by akg_67 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:10AM (#22422034)
Just FYI, this evening NHK news announced that most museums, theaters, and art galleries are being asked to close. Most events such as Sumo wrestling tournament are also considering closure. PM has asked all large events to be cancelled.

In my city, not on your itinerary, all elementary and junior high schools are being requested to close. All community volunteer oriented events and classes are being cancelled for whole month of March. All government employees are being asked to wear mask. All events in government buildings being asked to close.

Things are moving rapidly since government came back from long weekend.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by kingosticks on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @11:47AM (#22424671)
I don't suppose you have an (English) link to that news story? Im getting concerned about my (tourist) trip next week if stuff I want to visit is closed.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by akg_67 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:51PM (#22428325)
Sorry I don’t have a link. Check /r/japantravel on Reddit. They have a Coronavirus megathread going and lot of other fellow travelers are posting information.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by kingosticks on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:46PM (#22429223)
Brilliant, not a reddit user so didn't think to check there. And there is so much great stuff on there aside from the bad news about closures. Thanks!
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by ghaff on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:22PM (#22426293)
Check the websites for places you're interested in visiting. A number of museums have announced closures.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by kingosticks on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:43PM (#22426513)
I did that, I only found the Ghibli Museum and Tokyo National Museum, the former announced last week. Hello kitty land also seems to be closed.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by tlapinsk on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:24AM (#22422318)
Personal anecdote as I've been in Niseko (flew in through Tokyo) for two weeks and people in the area don't seem all that concerned. All of the locals on the trains are wearing masks while foreigners don't seem to be. There is hand sanitizer literally everywhere (alcohol based) and we brought masks to be safe.

I have noticed a high number of Chinese tourists in the Niseko region on vacation though and overheard some families from Hong Kong talking about vacationing outside of China to avoid the virus. Not sure this is something to be that worried about - I'll leave it up to you.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by electriclove on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @12:42PM (#22425266)
Things are changing quickly with Hokkaido now closing down all elementary and jr high schools https://www.nippon.com/en/news/yjj2020022600658/hokkaido-to-...
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by WillPostForFood on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @03:45AM (#22421445)
Not wise, IMO. Look how quickly things blew up in Korea and Italy, and Japan seems to be in denial.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by rtpg on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:23AM (#22421593)
You’re probably fine? Most things are running, though big events are cancelled and a lot of companies are implementing mandatory work from home policies.

Tokyo is where it’s the worst, right now

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by doctorOb on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:40AM (#22422752)
I'm quite literally in the same position as you right now. As long as the CDC doesn't bump their warning up to a level 3, I'm going. The cost of the flight + no refund makes it difficult for some of my party to walk away from. I'm still fairly worried and my company is having me self quarantine for half a month when I get home.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by syntheticcorp on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:59AM (#22421736)
Are you a member of a group with higher risk for this like the elderly or immunocompromised? If so I would avoid it.

On the other hand if you are young and fit and capable of following the standard precautions I don’t think you have too much to worry about.

I say this as I’m about to depart from Thailand for Taiwan

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by rogy on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:27AM (#22421855)
young, fit, have global travel, health and emergency insurance and enough savings to immediately head to the airport if we needed too..
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by flurdy on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:24AM (#22422324)
I think people forget whilst they are themselves fit and in a low-risk category, they will still get ill just probably not severely, and importantly will be a carrier to spread the virus to others. To near-family, children, nieces & nephew and grandparents, or just to more at-risk people they meet on the bus, cafe, office, hospital, etc.

Or indirectly to other fit people who eventually down the line infects a high-risk person.

So I think it is quite selfish to expose yourself unnecessarily. I don't think we should stop everything we do, life still goes on, but just be considerate of others.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by rcpt on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:09PM (#22426141)
Not really to children
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by vikramkr on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @01:21PM (#22425667)
CDC has japan at a level 2 alert.

Why are you going to japan/what do you want to do there? If it's not essential for you to go, then it's probably an unnecessary risk. With how quickly the disease is spreading, 2 weeks is a long time for things to get worse, and there's always the risk of you becoming a vector for disease so it's more than just your own health to worry about in terms of safety.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/alert/coronavirus-japan

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by csomar on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:24AM (#22422081)
That's an interesting observation since when I were in Tokyo at peace time, many people did wear masks. It's also important to remember that basic sanitary and hygiene are also important which I'd like to believe that the Japanese are better than probably the rest of the world.

The difference is that maybe South Korea is in "panic mode" and Japan is yet to get there. They are less than half of Japan population and had 10 times more new cases in the last 24 hours.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by PinkMilkshake on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @11:38PM (#22430506)
> basic sanitary and hygiene are also important which I'd like to believe that the Japanese are better than probably the rest of the world

When I traveled through Japan their hygiene culture came across as theatre more than anything. It's more of a social performance than a practical reality. I think 'very tidy' better describes Japan (if you ignore the beaches).

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by yyhhsj0521 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @01:55PM (#22425978)
They also tested a lot more.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by tasogare on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:31AM (#22421622)
Same impression when returning in Japan at the beginning of month after a stay in Taiwan. In Taiwan something like 99% of people outside in bigs cities were wearing masks. In Japan only the usual 20%.

However, things are starting to change? At least my lab cancelled a conference we planned to organize (call for paper deadline next month, and conference itself in August).

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by asiachick on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @03:12AM (#22421313)
My favorite thing in Tokyo (I wrote sarcastically) is being on over crowded trains in the winter and their policy of not running the ventilation systems "because it's winter".
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by jiggawatts on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @03:49AM (#22421463)
My favourite thing is trains and buses heated to 30C (85F) because it's "winter", so that you nearly have heatstroke even if you strip down to just a shirt and whatever pants you are wearing.
Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by jdshaffer on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:48AM (#22422423)
I'm in Shizuoka, only about an hour "south" on the bullet train, and I have the same experience here. People don't seem any more proactive about this than they are already for the flu (many wear masks already at this time of year to avoid flu and allergies while there are still plenty who do not).

There's a bit of "anxious hesitation" in the air, but apparently not enough (yet?) to warrant more direct prevention...

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by Izkata on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:09PM (#22426140)
> and a few wearing them incorrectly

How so? Like covering their mouth but not nose, or something?

(I'm just wondering if it's something like that that should be obvious, or if there's something more subtle I'm unaware of)

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by distantaidenn on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:11PM (#22429378)
Yes, having the mask covering only the mouth with nostrils exposed.

Also, as an fyi, if you are using some of the common paper masks, make sure the strings are on the outside.

Re:Tokyo Olympics “looking at a cancellation” if coronavirus... by darkerside on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:39AM (#22422146)
Considering the elderly population in Japan is relatively high, this could get ugly very fast....