Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real?

Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by onion2k on Monday February 24, 2020 @03:29AM (#22402521)

PR firms are so powerful now they can make any brand great again. See Microsoft. I guaranty there will be people that will want to answer this comment stating how they really are a good firm now. And cite great things they do. Yet I bet in 10 years, we will learn about some other horrible things they did. Again.

In rhetoric this is what's known as "inoculating the argument", or "inoculation theory". You take a reasonable criticism of what you've said and present a weakened version of what someone might respond with in order to suggest that means that response is invalid.

The thing is though, in this case, you've not really presented a solid argument. All you've said is "Microsoft might be doing terrible things!", which is potentially true, but it's a bad reason to ignore the obviously good things that we can see. What your argument boils down to is that once a company loses your trust they can never get it back regardless of what they do. In which case you're removing yourself from the conversation because you're only ever going to be negative.

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by mixmastamyk on Monday February 24, 2020 @04:27AM (#22402728)

I appreciate your logic. However, MS continues to do wrong, forced telemetry and upgrades, ads in the OS, are but a few examples. Only now drowned out.

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by aguyfromnb on Monday February 24, 2020 @07:31AM (#22403485)

>MS continues to do wrong, forced telemetry and upgrades, ads in the OS

These things might be unpreferable to you, but none of them are "wrong".

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by sn4pp on Monday February 24, 2020 @08:18AM (#22403722)

"forced telemetry" is very wrong.

Let's see how long it takes until that is illegal in your country.

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by mortivore on Monday February 24, 2020 @09:45AM (#22404338)

There are some people that think if something isn't illegal, then it isn't wrong. It's really weird.

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by Macha on Monday February 24, 2020 @12:01PM (#22405824)

It's substantially more common a viewpoint on here, at least anecdotally compared to my real life experience.

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by homonculus1 on Monday February 24, 2020 @10:46AM (#22404997)

Most people never get past Kohlberg Stage 4.

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by dhimes on Monday February 24, 2020 @11:27AM (#22405464)

I had never heard of this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_o...

From the wiki page, there are three levels that include 6 stages (two each):

        Level 1 (Pre-Conventional)

            1. Obedience and punishment orientation

                    (How can I avoid punishment?)

            2. Self-interest orientation

                    (What's in it for me?)
                    (Paying for a benefit)

        Level 2 (Conventional)

            3. Interpersonal accord and conformity

                    (Social norms)
                    (The good boy/girl attitude)

            4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation

                    (Law and order morality)

        Level 3 (Post-Conventional)

            5. Social contract orientation
            6. Universal ethical principles

                    (Principled conscience)

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by SQueeeeeL on Monday February 24, 2020 @07:45AM (#22403556)

Something is only wrong from a business perspective if you lose customers (either from trust or legal means (probably in the EU))

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by zeveb on Monday February 24, 2020 @09:46AM (#22404344)

Microsoft continue to produce proprietary software, i.e. software which infringes on its users' freedoms to use, examine, modify & share software; that is wrong.

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by HeyLaughingBoy on Monday February 24, 2020 @11:33AM (#22405512)

Are you suggesting that those users have no choice but to use that software?

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by ryukafalz on Tuesday February 25, 2020 @10:45AM (#22414043)

Most users have no idea they have a choice, so... effectively, yes.

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Re:Which of these Amazon Prime purchases are real? by BiteCode_dev on Monday February 24, 2020 @04:19AM (#22402702)

Indeed, this is an opinion based on observations I made, not a scientific claim.

And as you noted, I designed it specifically so that my comment would not be inundated with answers from the accounts of PR firms paid to say MS is great.

You can now state that those could be real accounts, and that MS is really a great company and that it's just being defended by people that like it for real and I have no proof of what I advance.

And I have no way to contradict you.

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