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Re:Stop Using Encrypted Email by joshuamorton on Saturday February 22, 2020 @07:10PM (#22394210)
> With my mail server, that administrator is me. One of the larger benefits of personal servers.

Ah I see, so you aren't actually worried about security, you're worried about privacy. Which We've been over when I said:

> Privacy is not security.

You also are ignoring a whole host of other risks, like data loss (your one server breaks, oops there goes your all of your email, etc.)

> Lets put money where out mouths are. Want to bet that google will have a new data leak before I do? Looks like a very lucrative bet to me.

Sure, I'll bet you $10,000 that my email will not be leaked before yours. Here's what we'll do, I'll tell you my email address, and you tell me yours. Mine is @gmail. Yours is hosted on your server. I'll then turn around and spend $8000 on a pen-test of your server, they'll exfiltrate data, and I'll win the bet and be up an easy $2,000.

> In 2018 Google had a data breach

Pause, hold on. No. In 2018, Google announced that there was a vulnerability that could allow semi-public information to be shared more widely than intended (literally it was things like name and phone number that you put on your G+ profile being shared with a wider than intended audience).

There was no evidence that this vulnerability had been used, and Google's own employees detected it.

> In 2018 I had zero data breaches in any of my servers

that you detected. Here, Google has a better track record than you: they are actively monitoring and red-teaming their own servers and systems to detect vulnerabilities. Do you?

So I'll put it bluntly one more time: you are putting your clients data at more risk by administrating your own mailserver than you would be if you let Google or MS do it for you. You can try to come up with all the counterarguments you want, but they are, as this article puts, security LARPing, not actual security best practices.

Re:Stop Using Encrypted Email by belorn on Monday February 24, 2020 @06:27AM (#22403174)
You are a bit funny. Just as you can hire a hacker, I could buy a zero-day exploit, or someone could hire mercenary and take down googles servers. It would not prove or disprove anything.

In the end, if you have your email leaked while I do not then that is what matters. Results. I have had zero leaked accounts. Most people have stuff that been leaked, and since you refused to answer, I assume you are listed in Have I Been Pwned?. You trusted someone to be secure and they were not. That was your choice, and it was the wrong one.

Re:Stop Using Encrypted Email by joshuamorton on Monday February 24, 2020 @12:34PM (#22406185)
So you're willing to take that bet then?
Re:Stop Using Encrypted Email by belorn on Friday February 28, 2020 @04:00PM (#22446319)
I have had the same setup been tested by two different pen testers, so yes, I would not mind that bet.

If you break the law however, which is what happens if a pen test a system without permission, then it doesn't really matter if you hack or use rubber hose tactics. Breaking the law is breaking the law. The police don't look kindly to bets under those situations.

I will also say the same thing I wrote to those two pen testers that tested our system. If you find any vulnerability I will happy help write the CVE report. What I did not tell them but will mention here is that I also happy take part in getting those bug hunting reward money that zero days exploits usually rewards. If you have for example a working exploit against current stable release of latest SSH then I am sure we can turn that in somewhere for a pretty good amount of money.