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Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by hyko on Saturday February 19, 2011 @09:51AM (#2239093)
"Mathematics is inadequate to describe the universe"

The jury is still out on that one.

Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by mechanical_fish on Saturday February 19, 2011 @10:50AM (#2239204)
And that is just the first half of the quote. It goes on:

Also, mathematics may predict things which don't exist, or are impossible in nature.

As a former experimental physicist I can't help but notice how true this is. ;)

Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by JoeAltmaier on Saturday February 19, 2011 @12:15PM (#2239359)
Physicists deal with impossible things every day - light is a particle And a wave, far-away objects can be receeding faster than the speed of light.
Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by dtc on Sunday February 20, 2011 @02:35PM (#2242759)
How are they impossible if they are happening?
Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by JoeAltmaier on Sunday February 20, 2011 @03:41PM (#2242992)
In the macroscopic world, they make no sense.

Somebody said "the Universe isn't just stranger than you imagine; its stranger than you Can imagine"

Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by wisty on Saturday February 19, 2011 @10:34AM (#2239167)
Mathematics will always be inadequate to describe mathematics, let alone the universe, as there will always be a need for new axioms.

That's mathematically proven, so it must be true.

Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by _delirium on Saturday February 19, 2011 @10:05AM (#2239115)
It also depends to some extent on whether you count interpretations as "within" mathematics. For example, Stephen Hawking's latest book clearly draws on a lot of mathematical models of the universe, but its main arguments are non-mathematized, philosophical ones. Arguably they're arguments over how to interpret the existing mathematical models (though some stray further from math than others), but the arguments themselves appear to live outside what you'd normally call mathematics.

Interpretations of quantum mechanics fall into a similar camp. There is the actual formal theory of quantum mechanics, which is clearly mathematics; but something like the Copenhagen Interpretation is also attempting to "describe" the universe, but is forced to do it extra-mathematically, by attaching interpretations (which can't be mathematically proven) to the formal results.

I suppose it also depends on what one means by "describe": does quantum mechanics fully "describe" the universe, or is it quantum mechanics plus an interpretation which describes the universe?

Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by jules on Saturday February 19, 2011 @11:05AM (#2239225)
Everything that is provably correct becomes mathematics. Of course physical laws are never provably correct.
Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by ugh on Saturday February 19, 2011 @01:20PM (#2239510)
So mathematics is not even adequate to describe the universe? “Adequate” doesn’t imply ”perfect“ for me.
Re:"It'll never work": a collection of failed predictions by hyko on Saturday February 19, 2011 @02:33PM (#2239703)
The meaning of the sentence hinges on the word 'describe'. I took it to mean a complete description.

You're right though, it could mean a description of any complexity, something Mathematics is well capable of.