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Re:Unix Toolbox (2008) by fizixer on Friday February 21, 2020 @08:53AM (#22383057)
Off-topic: Whenever I start thinking about json (or xml) I get lost in the turtle tower of metadata.

Like 'jc ls' gives json output with following entry format: { "filename": "[actual-filename-string]" }

Then I start asking: why not simply { "[actual-filename-string]" } ?

But then why stop at keyword value pairs? Why not:

{ "keyword": "filename", "value": "[actual-filename-string]" }

But then why not:

{ { "metakeyword": "keyword", "metavalue": "filename" }, { "metakeyword": "value", "metavalue": "[actual-filename-string]" } }

And so on.

Surely I can't be the only one. Would love to have this discussed, where to draw the line (and why), what's the utility, and so on.

Re:Unix Toolbox (2008) by msla on Friday February 21, 2020 @09:41AM (#22383431)
> Like 'jc ls' gives json output with following entry format: { "filename": "[actual-filename-string]" }

> Then I start asking: why not simply { "[actual-filename-string]" } ?

Because the first at least has a stab at being self-documenting, and maybe even forwards- and backwards-compatible: The file is saying what the values are (unless you're kinda dumb when choosing keys) and, since programs can ask for values by name, older programs won't have to deal with keys added by newer versions and newer programs can deal with missing values more gracefully than abandoning a whole parse because the record has six values instead of ten.

> But then why not:

> { { "metakeyword": "keyword", "metavalue": "filename" }, { "metakeyword": "value", "metavalue": "[actual-filename-string]" } }

Same information, now more verbose. Is there ever going to be a key other than "metakeyword" in that slot? If not, drop it.

Re:Unix Toolbox (2008) by Xophmeister on Friday February 21, 2020 @09:26AM (#22383299)

    { "[actual-filename-string]" }
...isn't valid JSON. As for going up the metatower, my personal take on this would be to strive for brevity. That is, what's the least structure we can get away with to unambiguously serialise what is needed? In most(?) cases, this is probably best:

    { "filename": "whatever", "foo": "bar", "etc": "etc" }
However, maybe there are instances where:

    [
      { "attribute": "filename", "value": "whatever" },
      { "attribute": "foo", "value": "bar" },
      { "attribute": "etc", "value": "etc" }
    ]
...is more appropriate. If, for example, you need to encode a flexible schema, rather than a fixed one.
Re:Unix Toolbox (2008) by swiley on Friday February 21, 2020 @04:36PM (#22387048)
If brevity is what you want then what’s wrong with the default field record ls output? It’s even a regular language!
Re:Unix Toolbox (2008) by dejj on Friday February 21, 2020 @09:19AM (#22383248)
For a related discussion, see "Evolution of a Haskell Programmer": https://willamette.edu/~fruehr/haskell/evolution.html