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Re:Morgan Stanley to Buy E-Trade for $13B by hcknwscommenter on Thursday February 20, 2020 @07:35PM (#22379977)
I agree that HFT don't buy order flow in order to make trades execute better for retail investors. They buy order flow in order to make money. The retail order flow is, as you say, non-toxic. That is, HFT can reasonably expect to make money with the data and not get rolled over. The question then becomes, who is paying HFTs and why. The highly simplified answer is that HFTs are allowed by the regulatory agencies/exchanges to pay themselves a slice of the bid offer spread in return for the liquidity benefit their market making activity provides. How do they do it? By using the retail order flow information, which allows them to "front-run" the order (step in between offers and asks) and provide liquidity. The offeror gets a better fill and the askor gets a better take and the HFT gets a profit and the exchange has vastly higher liquidity and everyone is happy with this type of front-running.
Re:Morgan Stanley to Buy E-Trade for $13B by lordnacho on Friday February 21, 2020 @03:56AM (#22381813)
No, if the flow is non toxic it's easy to make money from. You pocket the spread and eventually you do the same on the other side to get flat. No shenanigans required.
Re:Morgan Stanley to Buy E-Trade for $13B by hcknwscommenter on Saturday February 22, 2020 @10:39AM (#22391514)
Nothing you state above contradicts anything I stated. I explicitly stated that non-toxic flow is easy to make money from. I explicitly said that you make money by capturing some of the spread. You say "pocket the spread" which is simply wrong. No market maker gets the entire spread. My point is that there are many versions of "front-running" that are not "shenanigans." You seem confused as to how all this works.
Re:Morgan Stanley to Buy E-Trade for $13B by lordnacho on Friday February 28, 2020 @06:39AM (#22442096)
No need to get personal. I guess you could use a less loaded term than front-running. Or at least qualify what you mean when you put it in "here".