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Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by whalesalad on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @12:59PM (#22368106)
It’s Bill Gates ... let the man have his Porsche.

Regardless, the Taycan is a hell of a machine and is going to have better fit and finish than a Tesla. It’s also the hot new thing, whereas the Model 3 is old news.

Assuming you can afford both, I can’t think of anyone who’d take the Tesla over the Taycan.

Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by dlivingston on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:07PM (#22368875)
If you're in the market for the Taycan, you'd probably be in the market for the 2020 Roadster [0]. While it's still in pre-production, these two cars seem to me to be the real competitors (both electric sports cars, with very fast 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, etc.) over something like the Taycan vs. Model S.

[0]: https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by theluketaylor on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @05:44PM (#22370904)
Porsche has said most of their Taycan customers are existing Porsche customers, so it's more likely someone already has a 911 or Cayman and wants to try an EV.

Taycan Turbo S is certainly priced in Roadster territory, but the 4S trim that just started delivery is right in line with Model S. There will be many people cross shopping Taycan 4S against Model S.

Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by anthm1988 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:31PM (#22369117)
One is a real car you can buy, the other isn't.

That's ignoring Tesla's historical issues with fit and finish/quality control.

Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by roflchoppa2 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:32PM (#22369750)
cant wait for more competition in the EV space.
Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by valine on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:14PM (#22368941)
I’m sure lots of people would take a Model S over the Porsche in many scenarios considering the Model S has an epa estimated range of 390 miles whereas the Taycan has comparatively short 192 mile range. It doesn’t matter how nice the finish is if the car can’t get you to where you want to go.
Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by ancientworldnow on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:13PM (#22369561)
Except in real world testing the Taycan dramatically exceeds it's EPA testing while the model S falls far short. In fact the two end up only a few tens of miles different and the Taycan charges faster to make up for it.

There are numerous articles and YouTube videos exploring this if you want further information.

Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by valine on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @05:48PM (#22370934)
Under ideal conditions the Taycan can charge to 80% in 22.5 minutes. That’s 160 miles, or 426 miles per hour. Third generation super chargers can charge at a rate of 1000 miles per hour, so your statement that the Taycan charges faster is false.

As far as range testing goes I’ve never heard of a Tesla not being able to meet its epa estimated range, and I find it hard to believe that Porsche would be advertising a low range if they’re capable of achieving something better.

Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by ryanlol on Thursday February 20, 2020 @04:16AM (#22373786)
> I find it hard to believe that Porsche would be advertising a low range if they’re capable of achieving something better.

Heh, Porsche has been doing this with their combustion cars for ages.

Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by theluketaylor on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @10:50PM (#22372540)
Your math assumes the EPA range for taycan which has been demonstrated by a number of sources to not be a very accurate representation of Taycan real range. While the EPA range for many EVs has proven pretty accurate, for Taycan the methodology just doesn't fit.

Taycan will peak charge at 270 kW. Tesla Model 3 on a V3 supercharger peak at 250 kW. They are pretty close.

Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by andrewtbham on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @01:30PM (#22368453)
Tesla has world class fit and finish... even Bob Lutz agrees.

"But, when next to the car, I was stunned. Not only was the paint without any discernible flaw, but the various panels formed a body of precision that was beyond reproach. Gaps from hood to fenders, doors to frame, and all the others appeared to be perfectly even, equal side-to-side, and completely parallel. Gaps of 3.5 to 4.5mm are considered word-class. This Model 3 measured up."

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a28008116/tesla-model-...

Re:Tesla's Elon Musk Swipes at Porsche-Buying Bill Gates by ryanlol on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:11PM (#22368904)
> Tesla has world class fit and finish.

Anyone who genuinely believes this is lying to themselves.

How come you’ve copypasted this same comment 3 times in a row?

And anyway, the quoted bit is about panel gaps, that’s only a relatively minor part of fit and finish. Try sitting in a tesla and an actually nice car.