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Re:Can you use PHP without frameworks nowadays? by sedachv on Friday February 18, 2011 @01:35PM (#2236617)
"The number of times I got bitten in the ass or just wasted time trying to figure out how the "magic" in Zend worked was infuriating."

This is true for all frameworks in all languages. Instead of doing the Unix thing and providing well-behaved libraries that do one thing well, people build a pile of opinionated spaghetti. To quote HN user mahmud:

"snippet -> program -> application -> library [STOP HERE]-> framework [GO BACK]->platform [GO FUCK YOURSELF]"

Re:Can you use PHP without frameworks nowadays? by cletus on Friday February 18, 2011 @01:50PM (#2236679)
That's a great quote. Is there a link for it?
Re:Can you use PHP without frameworks nowadays? by sedachv on Friday February 18, 2011 @04:35PM (#2237370)