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Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by throwaway13337 on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @02:11AM (#22354100)
So what happened to the optimism for the "consciousness III society"?

Maybe it was naive but It's a shame we don't have that same forward looking feeling today.

Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by pnathan on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @11:59AM (#22357474)
the 80s, basically. But, there was a reactionary swell that hit circa 1976ish, propelled Reagan into office and has continued in one form or another ever since.
Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by samplatt on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @02:57AM (#22354268)
The climate happened, I think. Difficult to maintain optimism on the ultimate destiny of consciousness when the science is telling you there's an extinction event on your doorstep.
Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by johnnyforeigner on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @03:56AM (#22354505)
Living through the Cold War brought us a constant and very close awareness of the potential for a nuclear extinction event so I don’t think it’s climate change. If anything it was scarier then because there was a sense that extinction could come simply from a single random error in a highly complex socio-technical system.

I’m of the opinion that much of the change in our culture was driven by a concerted pushback on the part of the “straights” to reassert the primacy of their worldview. The threat felt by those in power by the rise of the civil rights, anti-war and nascent environmentalist movement was a direct threat to business as usual. So, through things like the Moral Majority and the efforts of Thatcher and Reagan, we have adopted a worldview that for decades has told us that happiness and satisfaction comes only through the pursuit of financial success and conventional career paths.

Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by redis_mlc on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @04:45AM (#22354707)
> there was a sense that extinction could come simply from a single random error

Agreed, I was there and watched the "Duck and Cover" films in school. That only stopped when leaders realized that surviving the initial blast was one thing, and surviving a month later for most urbanites was unlikely.

> So, through things like the Moral Majority and the efforts of Thatcher and Reagan ... happiness and satisfaction comes only through the pursuit of financial success

I don't see a coherent argument here.

You can ignore Thatcher, since she was the head of a bankrupted, hapless country (Britain had food rationing for 9 years after WW2.)

Reagan was one of the most powerful leaders in world history. He wanted a strong America, both domestically and overseas. Can't really argue with that. We don't like people who utter words like "Evil Empire" [see Prof. Victor Davis Hanson], but somebody has to say it. Just be glad Reagan was on our side.

Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by mft_ on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @06:24AM (#22355145)
> You can ignore Thatcher, since she was the head of a bankrupted, hapless country (Britain had food rationing for 9 years after WW2.)

She became Prime Minister in 1979. Britain was probably over the nine years of food rationing by that time... 34 years after the war ended...

Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by chasontherobot on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @05:06AM (#22354803)
Whose side was Reagan on? He certainly wasn't on the side of a lot of gays, blacks, or the other minorities his administration threw in jail, poisoned, or just let die through inaction.
Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by eadmund on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @07:34AM (#22355484)
That's just nonsense.

Re. gays, Mr. Reagan signed into law federal outlays of $5.73 billion for AIDS research and treatment and he opposed California Proposition 6, which would have fired public-school teachers for advocating homosexuality.

Re. blacks, his administration did push hard for tough-on-crime measures — measures which were supported by black groups in the 80s. They may or may not have been wise in retrospect, but they were a well-intended attempt to support black communities and black people.

Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by nappy on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:26AM (#22363691)
Where does $5.73 billion come from? I searched and found figures in the hundreds of millions [1] along with other evidence of the Reagan administrations indifference to AIDS [2]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/1985/09/18/us/reagan-defends-financi...

[2] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/reagan-administratio...

Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by bovermyer on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @10:14AM (#22356597)
It's not as black and white as that. Reagan was probably the last conservative president that made an effort to work with groups opposed to his own ideological positions.

For example, have a listen to his 1983 Address to the Nation.

Be careful, also, to view him in context of the era he was active in. It's tempting to judge historical figures' actions in a modern context, but that dramatically alters the nature of what they did and why.

Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @12:02PM (#22357524)
Poisoned? What, specifically, are you referring to? (Because, without some specifics, this sounds like an unhinged hyperbolic rant.)
Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by eadmund on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @07:25AM (#22355432)
Climate-change concern became a thing in the 90s.

The peace-love-dope crowd were a reaction to our defense of South Vietnam. Once North Vietnam violated the Paris Peace and successfully invaded South Vietnam, there was no need anymore to react — we weren't defending anyone at that point. I imagine that there might also have been some embarrassed reactions to the boat people, the re-education camps and the mass murder which followed the invasion — after all those years of hailing Ho Chi Minh as the George Washington of Vietnam and pretending that the Viet Cong were freedom fighters, it was probably a bit embarrassing to see that they were just your normal run-of-the-mill dictator and his thugs.

Also, I think a lot of the peace-love-dope crowd just grew up and got jobs.

Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by oska on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @05:24AM (#22364370)
> Also, I think a lot of the peace-love-dope crowd just grew up and got jobs.

This is a peculiar comment to make under an article about a member of the 'peace-love-dope crowd' who had a job which he performed at an elite level.

Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by sneak on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @07:52AM (#22355607)
We’re still around.
Re:Weird-Looking Freak Saves Apollo 14 (1971) by tudorw on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @02:55AM (#22354260)
you, not we :)