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Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by rhizome on Monday February 17, 2020 @05:16PM (#22351395)
Just last night I listened to something on NPR about CAPTCHA v3, which doesn't involve checkboxes nor pointing at parking meters anymore. It samples page activity and interactions by the user and supplies a human-likelihood score to the site (h/t Twitter bot scorers).

So we live in a future where our activity is bounded by a variety of quality scores. You're mostly a human, your site's increased traffic is less legitimate...every Taylorist-Goodhartian aspect of existence is priced into the marketplaces of society.

Perhaps a decent analogy could be Black Mirror's "Nosedive" episode, but with endless dimensions instead of just one (which admittedly could be a derived score from the dimensional ratings), and ratings that aren't derived from the moods of peers and other interactors, but passively gathered from everyday behavior.

I think this is the NPR show episode: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/04/24/716854013/epis...

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by flukus on Monday February 17, 2020 @09:36PM (#22352967)
> Just last night I listened to something on NPR about CAPTCHA v3, which doesn't involve checkboxes nor pointing at parking meters anymore. It samples page activity and interactions by the user and supplies a human-likelihood score to the site (h/t Twitter bot scorers).

That turns the web into a walled garden you can't access without submitting to google's tracking. If they'd just drop the pretense of not being a walled garden this wouldn't even be a problem that needed solving.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by DrScientist on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @05:25AM (#22354889)
So you train a bot to show 'human like patterns'.

The problem with relying on ML on one side is it can be gamed by ML on the other.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by rhizome on Friday February 21, 2020 @05:53PM (#22387799)
If it was easy to train a bot to show humanlike patterns, we'd have driverless cars by now.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by DrScientist on Monday February 24, 2020 @01:39PM (#22406950)
Hmm... I think training a program to fool another program is a much, much, much, much easier problem than driving a car.

As an example, you only have to learn how to emulate a single 'human like' pattern to fool the ML, where you target function is a simple fool or not fool ML - once you achieved fooled you are done.

Whereas to drive a car you need to deal with all the infinite variation in inputs you might experience in driving a car, with complex target functions ie safety versus speed.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by jakecopp on Monday February 17, 2020 @08:15PM (#22352581)
I wish there was a challenge that helped verify OpenStreetMap edits!
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by kunglao on Monday February 17, 2020 @07:29PM (#22352339)
I like the way Qwant search engine deals with this. It gives a small challenge to solve which is a lot less cumbersome than finding traffic lights on photos or far less invasive than the fingerprinting technologies others use.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by megablast on Monday February 17, 2020 @07:57PM (#22352476)
You haven't actually said anything about the challenge, so we have no idea if it is actually any different.
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Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by aeyes on Monday February 17, 2020 @09:07PM (#22352824)
Searched for this, including the quotes, the only result that comes up is this HN comment.

Even without quotes nothing useful comes up.

Would you be so kind to leave us a useful link?

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by kunglao on Monday February 17, 2020 @09:21PM (#22352889)
https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=qwant+bot+detection&prmd=....

Usually the challenge i get is like may be 6 squares and one circle and I need to click on the circle. Apologies, I thought its easy to look this up because I have nt used Google search in a while and when I just searched this just now it's the first result I got on my images section.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by Wowfunhappy on Monday February 17, 2020 @11:50PM (#22353536)
...surely you could write a computer to click circles relatively easily?
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by kunglao on Monday February 17, 2020 @09:22PM (#22352892)
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by vpzom on Monday February 17, 2020 @11:05PM (#22353365)