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Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by perl4ever on Monday February 17, 2020 @11:48AM (#22348897)
"They are producing an electric car you can buy. They basically forced other companies to produce electric cars you can buy. It’s awesome. Be a little kid again for just a minute..."

This seems like a proverbial "reality distortion field" to me. The Tesla model 3 came out about 7 years after the Nissan Leaf, didn't it? And given a reasonable budget, it's arguably still not an example of a car "you can buy".

Yes, there were Teslas before the model 3, but there were also electric cars from other manufacturers for many years.

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Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by jsight on Monday February 17, 2020 @12:09PM (#22349018)
TBH, I think the idea that the Leaf from 7 years ago is in the same segment requires some distortion of reality. The Leaf is not nearly as sporty, had a much lower range, and also had a much less reliable battery.

The modern Leaf fixes these problems by being as expensive as a Model 3, and its still slower.

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Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by perl4ever on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @06:43PM (#22361624)
It's not in the same segment, but it's in the segment people pretend the model 3 is in - an electric car for the ordinary person.
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Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by ilikehurdles on Monday February 17, 2020 @12:30PM (#22349134)
The modern leaf is close to $10,000 cheaper than a Model 3. $31600 vs $39990.
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Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by jsight on Monday February 17, 2020 @01:33PM (#22349500)
At $31k, the Leaf does not have fast charging and has a range of 149 miles. Want "Quick" charging at a peak rate of 50KW? That's the $34k Leaf, which still has a range of 149 miles. Granted, this comes with a tax break, but comparing MSRP to MSRP, the SR Model 3 looks like the better deal at 220 miles of range.

To get to 226 miles of range with the Leaf puts you at $38k. To also get intelligent cruise (standard on the SR+ Model 3 at 40k), you will need another couple thousand dollars on the Leaf.

The tax break and dealer negotiation do make the Leaf cheaper, but the list price alone really doesn't.

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