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Re:No person who was born blind has ever been diagnosed with... by lucideer on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @03:29PM (#22312483)
> There is more brain input from vision than any other input possible

Is this really true? I would've imagined it to be hearing, though tbh I'm unsure how one would begin to approach measuring them in isolation.

Re:No person who was born blind has ever been diagnosed with... by sitharus on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @03:47PM (#22312639)
You have, at birth, around 3,500 auditory hair cells per ear (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_cell), so 7000 inputs to process for sound. Sure your brain does a lot with that information to project a 3D sound field from two ears, but that's the limit of the input.

The adult human eye has around 70 million cones and 75-150 million rods (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina). There's a bit of crazy data compression that goes in to this, but the amount of information to process from the eyes is several orders of magnitude greater than from the years.

Re:No person who was born blind has ever been diagnosed with... by nordsieck on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:03PM (#22312785)
> You have, at birth, around 3,500 auditory hair cells per ear (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_cell), so 7000 inputs to process for sound. Sure your brain does a lot with that information to project a 3D sound field from two ears, but that's the limit of the input.

> The adult human eye has around 70 million cones and 75-150 million rods (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina). There's a bit of crazy data compression that goes in to this, but the amount of information to process from the eyes is several orders of magnitude greater than from the years.

While you're technically correct, that's not the whole story.

There is a substantial amount of image processing that happens in the eye (I suppose it's possible that's true of the ear as well; we know much less about hearing than sight). I'm not familiar with all the research in the area, so I can't throw out numbers, but you can't just compare numbers of raw sensors meaningfully.

Re:No person who was born blind has ever been diagnosed with... by sitharus on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:18PM (#22312911)
I agree, there's so much about the brain we don't understand, plus whole sections overlap or process multiple sources. Nothing is simple in the brain! In terms of the amount of your grain required or dedicated to each input this says nothing.

However, the statement was:

> There is more brain input from vision than any other input possible

I guess we could compare the nerves that lead from the sense organs. Again from wikipedia:

> Each human optic nerve contains between 770,000 and 1.7 million nerve fibers

> In humans, there are on average 30,000 nerve fibers within the cochlear nerve

so again, at least an order of magnitude more nerve connections from the sense organs to the brain. I think this backs up the original statement.

Interestingly the number of nerve connections from the cochlear are greater than the number of raw sensory inputs, but the eye is quite the opposite. I know the input to the brain is more of a differential coding between colours than raw data from the cells.

Re:No person who was born blind has ever been diagnosed with... by wpietri on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:43PM (#22313123)
> you can't just compare numbers of raw sensors meaningfully.

Why not? It's certainly not definitive, but assuming a correlation between number of sensors and dataflow is certainly a reasonable starting point. If you really want to suggest the number of raw sensors is meaningless with regard to data volume, that seems like a much bolder claim. Especially when, as here, it's a 4-5 order of magnitude difference.

Re:No person who was born blind has ever been diagnosed with... by jxramos on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @03:54PM (#22312701)
nice technique to focus on the raw transducers/sensory cells counts! That's fundamentally the raw inputs we're dealing with.
Re:No person who was born blind has ever been diagnosed with... by jxramos on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @03:52PM (#22312680)
you can look at the mass dedicated to each sense I suppose and use that as a proxy, occipital lobe vs temporal lobe. Couldn't land a search hit on those quickly though.

Just from a signal processing perspective, sound is a 1D data type, though we do have stereo sound and can localize sounds, so that's some additional processing there I suppose. There's also frequencies involved. Image processing is typically more demanding than audio from what I understand with computational things, images being 2D, or 3D sources. This is a pretty interesting exploration relative sensory input load.