Re:Django and Python 3
by wisty on Thursday February 17, 2011 @09:08AM
(#2230924)
Here would be my plan (though I'm not good enough to carry it out):
1. Port the dispatcher to P3.
2. Do something magic with urls.py, so you choose which version (2.X or 3.X) you want doing the query.
At this point, people can use URL plumbing to gradually port their Django projects.
3. Port the parts where Python 3 is a killer feature. String formatting, Unicode handling (maybe), function decorators, and metaclasses. This is the hard part - where would python 3 add some killer features to django?
You also need to do the db layer, the templating, and all that jazz, but that should follow once you have the incentive of actually seeing it work in your browser.
Re:Django and Python 3
by ubernostrum on Thursday February 17, 2011 @09:43AM
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I've said before and will say again:
The holdup here is not technical. It's great that we've got people like Alex willing to port code, but that's not the hard part. The hard part is people who are using and want to continue using Django on platforms where Python 2.5 or even 2.4 is still the standard.
More on this forthcoming, once I've had a proper weekend off.
Re:Django and Python 3
by glenjamin on Thursday February 17, 2011 @10:33AM
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How feasible is it to have support from 2.4 to 3.x? Either with or without 3to2/2to3 as part of the packaging process?
EDIT: I'd have thought upgrading the codebase to 3.x and making sure that 3to2 produces a working 2.4 version would be better than using 2to3. Thoughts?
Re:Django and Python 3
by briancurtin on Thursday February 17, 2011 @12:16PM
(#2231743)
The following will work across 3 and 2 versions going back pretty far. It's necessary if you want to support pre-2.5 versions (where `as` was introduced):
Re:Django and Python 3
by koenigdavidmj on Friday February 18, 2011 @12:47AM
(#2234401)
Still kind of ugly, and not something which you want to litter than Django sources. Especially if you are going to put them all back when 2.4 support is dropped.
Re:Django and Python 3
by prog on Thursday February 17, 2011 @08:46AM
(#2230851)
I started working on an app using Python 2.7. The only reason I chose 2.7 over 3.x was the lack of 3.x support in Django. I would be great to have Django support Python 3.x.
Re:Django and Python 3
by clojurerocks on Thursday February 17, 2011 @11:25AM
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Its nice to see posts about python and django. Ive only played around with them a little bit but having options is always a good thing and right now it seems the frameworks discussion is really dominated by Rails.
Re:Django and Python 3
by briancurtin on Thursday February 17, 2011 @10:17AM
(#2231176)
I think he's aware of the formal procedures from his previous involvement with GSOC and Django. The post seems more to be stating what's what, how it's probably going to happen, etc.
Re:Django and Python 3
by scorpion032 on Thursday February 17, 2011 @12:59PM
(#2231963)
This would be Alex's third time at GSoC after MultiDB support and support for non-relational databases, but hugely successful.
Plus Google decides GSoC students on a per project basis and the project's core developers get the pick the students; and Alex, already is a core developer.
1. Port the dispatcher to P3.
2. Do something magic with urls.py, so you choose which version (2.X or 3.X) you want doing the query.
At this point, people can use URL plumbing to gradually port their Django projects.
3. Port the parts where Python 3 is a killer feature. String formatting, Unicode handling (maybe), function decorators, and metaclasses. This is the hard part - where would python 3 add some killer features to django?
You also need to do the db layer, the templating, and all that jazz, but that should follow once you have the incentive of actually seeing it work in your browser.
The holdup here is not technical. It's great that we've got people like Alex willing to port code, but that's not the hard part. The hard part is people who are using and want to continue using Django on platforms where Python 2.5 or even 2.4 is still the standard.
More on this forthcoming, once I've had a proper weekend off.
EDIT: I'd have thought upgrading the codebase to 3.x and making sure that 3to2 produces a working 2.4 version would be better than using 2to3. Thoughts?
2.4 only supports this:
3.0 and up choke on this; they interpret it as "catch exceptions of type FooError or e and do not give the exception object a name".2.5 through 2.7 interpret like 2.4 but also support explicit parentheses to do what Python 3 does:
2to3 requires that you use the new exception syntax only, to avoid confusion.Plus Google decides GSoC students on a per project basis and the project's core developers get the pick the students; and Alex, already is a core developer.