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Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by siphium on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @10:22AM (#22299124)
Can you imagine the implications if someone can find a seed from that birth control plant(1) the roman's ate to extinction?

(1)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silphium

Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by pushswap on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @12:08PM (#22300100)
The seeds are believed to be the source of the heart shaped icon used throughout history (itself having little resemblance to the shape of our actual hearts).

Cyrene's, an ancient Greek city on the north African coast, entire economy was based on growing silphium, and the heart shaped icon of its seeds can be seen on its coins.

Silphium is often refered to as laser in Latin books such as the famous De Re Coquinara. There's a very close substitute spice originally from Persia but now more widely used in India called asafoetida named for its stench. Apparently the taste is very similar, but the intense smell isn't! Though it only reeks uncooked. By the late republic to early empire (which happens to be the primary time period we have for extant literature) Silphium had already become rare and soon died out. Though there's reports of early church monks sending each other seeds & stalks.

It's too bad Libya is a warzone in our time, and the area comprising the ruined Cyrene was recently under ISIS control. I wonder if there was any damage or looting at the site.

Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by dr_dshiv on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @10:46AM (#22299345)
It might not have seeds, but have spread through cuttings.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170907-the-mystery-of-t...

Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by pvaldes on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @05:23PM (#22303600)
Extinction is forever. We should not understimate the weight of this fact.

Would be like finding a californian dwarf elephant again.

Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @05:28PM (#22303636)
...except that's the point of the OP - this date is no longer extinct.
Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by pvaldes on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @05:33PM (#22303687)
Phoenix dactilifera never went extinct (and the origin of this date is still questionable IMHO).
Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:40AM (#22308708)
This variety was gone, for 2000 years. The origin date was pretty firmly established. 'IMHO' is worth much less than a measurement, which indicated from 2200 to 1800 years.
Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by pvaldes on Thursday February 13, 2020 @11:38AM (#22319066)
"IMHO" there are a lot of well known problems with carbone datation. You can read about it in scientific journals and make your own opinion.

Any measurement can have errors of methodology, and a wrong measurement does not have any value. Don't worship numbers just because they seem fancy or fit with a narrative. They are just that, a number.

Without a genetical analysis we can not know if a plant variety is lost, or just forgotten, or a clone of a extant variety buried ten years ago. Show me the analysis before to start talking abour old ruins, caravans and lost cities.

Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by JoeAltmaier on Thursday February 13, 2020 @08:41PM (#22323260)
So theres uncertainty in dating, and its only 1000 years extinct? This is more FUD.
Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by pvaldes on Thursday February 13, 2020 @09:08PM (#22323380)
Keep thinking about the problem and you will eventualy find the big, huge, ginormous, elephant in the room.
Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by bobowzki on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:12AM (#22299557)
I'm intrigued by this plant. I hope they find a specimen or a way to resurrect it.
Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by donatzsky on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:54AM (#22299964)
There's a plant (Justicia gendarussa) in Indonesia that seems to work: http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2013/04/male-birth-contr...
Re:Dead Sea dates grown from 2000-year-old seeds by daveFNbuck on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:57AM (#22299987)
My first few reads of your comment made me think you were saying the Romans went extinct due to eating too much birth control.