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Re:The Disneyfication of a University by Seenso on Monday February 10, 2020 @12:53PM (#22291437)
Several years ago, I had to attend a full day "culture training" session given by Senn Delaney (a division of Heidrick & Struggles) [1]. It was also a massive waste of time. Our company actually has a really great culture, and what I remember of the training amounted to a somewhat subtle attempt to indoctrinate employees to be more blindly obedient to management change initiatives. There was some other stuff, but I honestly can't recall anything else. Maybe some simplified Meyers-Briggs type thing.

The only time I've heard any of the concepts cited since the training push has been in the context of some mid-level executive type pushing an unpopular top-down change, and even then, they seem to be at the bottom of their rhetorical sack. My co-workers' reaction ranged from neutral to eye-rolling, and as far as I can tell, no one has explicitly employed the trained culture concepts and the whole experience has mostly been forgotten.

I have no idea how much the my employer paid for all this, but the cost must have been enormous (every employee had to attend a course that took between one and three whole work days, with no multitasking allowed).

[1] https://www.senndelaney.com/

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by bitwize on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:12PM (#22291626)
Not long ago at $JOB I sat through what I call "mandatory psychobabble day". The particular psychobabble being peddled to, or rather, imposed on, us was the DISC system -- a variant of which was recently outed on Hackernews as pernicious hucksterism which somehow held much of Sweden in its sway. It was supposed to make us better collaborators, under the rubric that understanding the traits of both your own star sign under this 20th century horoscope and those of your coworkers will enable you to formulate better communication strategies. Oddly, the most fruitful discussions that day, or at any time at $JOB, were held without reference to DISC at all.

My single moment of satisfaction was in trolling the interlocutor at the end. He still recognizes and smiles to me in the halls, which tells me my trolling was sufficiently subtle.

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by throwaway3849 on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:53PM (#22292023)
You must have more tact than me. I caught the ire of the iridologist when I asked 'What if we disagree with the chart?' Could not find a more uncomfortable way to spend a morning.
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by sizzle on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:42PM (#22295524)
For anyone else wondering:

Iridology: the inspection of the iris of the eye as an aid in determining a person's state of health or in diagnosing a health problem.

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by throwaway3157 on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:51PM (#22294285)
What did the instructor do to you for the remainder of the morning?
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by throwaway3849 on Monday February 10, 2020 @07:23PM (#22294864)
I was used as the example for the rest of the session. Either I could take it in stride or dig in. That was not the hill I wanted to die on so I sucked it up. Still find it hard to let go of it though.
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by zweep on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:09PM (#22293380)
Or he also realizes that it’s bullshit. I led a “diversity workshop” in my company at the request of management because I’m known to be an excellent public speaker. The content was 100% crap but I was commended for my work and was rewarded for it so I’d gladly do another.
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by throwaway3157 on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:57PM (#22294332)
I also got invited to one of these diversity workshops at $JOB once, by our VP of diversity. Cost was >$5000 but I would have to get my manager to pay for it. They sent this email to me, not my manager. No thanks.

Edit: why the downvote? You could tell me what I did wrong

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by joelnc52 on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:54PM (#22294311)
Link for the recent HN DISC post? Not finding it via search and would be interested to read...
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by eschutte2 on Monday February 10, 2020 @08:57PM (#22295309)
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by lowdose on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:44PM (#22293078)
For anyone else wondering if Bitwize just came up with the word of the week or Psychobabble is really a thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychobabble

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by possiblelion on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:23AM (#22299654)
Do you have a link to the HN article about DISC?
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by arpa on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @01:26PM (#22301033)
I think it was about Thomas Ericson.

Edit: found it! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22064530

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by nabla9 on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:21PM (#22292258)
When Japanese companies came to the West some of them tried to push the Japanese company culture into their subsidiaries without any modifications.

Starting workday with everyone standing in attention outside and singing company song when company flag was hoisted did not go well.

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by cbm-vic-20 on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:59PM (#22292629)
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by ACow_Adonis on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:25PM (#22292875)
If by not go well, I'm assuming you mean adopted by many American firms. I'm assuming you're unfamiliar with "the Wal-Mart cheer".

I'd love to say it was isolated, but my wife worked for a big 4 consultancy firm straight out of university. Just do a Google search for "Ernst and young happy day". I'd paste a link, but I'm afraid I'd actually have to watch it again...

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by jhbadger on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:52PM (#22294291)
There's a long history of US firms doing this sort of thing. IBM used to have an official songbook and employees would sing "Ever Onward" like they were at a school pep rally.

https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/music/music_EO1.htm...

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by ACow_Adonis on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:06PM (#22295355)
Actually, I'm not a historian in this area, but it would be fascinating to know whether this kind of thing actually started in America, got exported after ww2 (like Japanese baseball), and then reimported with new/old takes from the likes of Japan post 80s and seemed weird to the now globalizing US corporate culture. (Like how 'do the needful' supposedly got imported into India during the days of the English empire, fell out of use in the modern English world, and is now being reimported from India).

I only bring it up as there are just so many parallels in American culture that would see corporate team building and identity type activities as a natural extension: prep rallies, cheer leaders, pledges, marching bands, frats, school songs, etc.

These activities have some parallels outside the US, but they're activities that can seem distinctly 'weird' and not done to the same extent if you come from outside the US.

And not only do we have actual history (ibm) and many contemporary US companies doing these kinds of practices, in many ways the practices make much more sense if taken as a natural extension of already common American cultural practices...

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by bitwize on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:26PM (#22293560)
Oh man, I'm getting flashbacks to the cringe I felt the first time I heard the KPMG song: https://youtu.be/NCvKXgp-Awo

It's no coincidence that corporate anthems like this sound similar to the Scientology hymn We Stand Tall: https://youtu.be/XyNh1j3dsp8

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by Aperocky on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:55PM (#22292593)
You need to tell us what happened
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by zweep on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:11PM (#22293405)
LOL. I’d do it if they had those adorable Japanese mascot characters.
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by ForHackernews on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:23PM (#22294064)
𝅘𝅥𝅮 There's a thrill in store for all 𝅘𝅥𝅮

𝅘𝅥𝅮 For we're about to toast 𝅘𝅥𝅮

𝅘𝅥𝅮 The corporation known in every land... 𝅘𝅥𝅮

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ChoHNEgRI

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by AWildC182 on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:26PM (#22292316)
I used to work in a facility that was doing manufacturing as well as software/engineering. The manufacturing techs were generally treated like cattle and subjected to this stuff as most of them were max high school level education and/or foreign and while plenty intelligent, didn't have the financial capability to tell them to fuck off. As such they were generally able get them to play along with all the synergizification training because whether they bought into it or not, they were conditioned to play along through social pressure.

I think what we're seeing is the same principles that worked on the mid century manufacturing laborers being refined for the information economy age.

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by ImaCake on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:12PM (#22292747)
What a waste of time! People doing processing of any kind, be it biology, chemical, or mechanical, require certain spaces of time through the day to be free so they can do their job efficiently. This kind of bullshit is the worst possible interruption for such workers and would certainly produce the maximum possible resentment towards management.
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by organsnyder on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:41PM (#22293698)
I had a former employer do a mandatory Sean Delaney-led session for thousands of employees. I found it to be quite good, but much of our dysfunction was at the leadership level (directors stabbing each other in the back, etc.), and leadership—despite also attending the sessions (management had even more training, IIRC)—quickly reverted to the same toxic habits.
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by zweep on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:10PM (#22293397)
My trick for no multitasking: pen and paper notebook. Looks like I’m taking notes, I’m actually working on my novel.
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by dvfjsdhgfv on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:04PM (#22291525)
> every employee had to attend a course that took between one and three whole work days, with no multitasking allowed

That reminded me of the Clockwork Orange.

Re:The Disneyfication of a University by specialist on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:22PM (#22291718)
I call it ritualized spanking. a la "the beatings will continue until morale improves". Even more effective than fat shaming.
Re:The Disneyfication of a University by gjvc on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:26PM (#22291769)
"Heidrick & Struggles" -- the second part of that name is apt!