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Re:Living without a SIM card by Joeri on Sunday February 09, 2020 @09:47AM (#22282337)
Banks in the US and EU are required to have the identity on file for all bank accounts (ostensibly to combat terrorism), so sharing your phone number with them shouldn’t change the level of privacy. If it is cost people are worried about they can get a prepaid card and never use it except to receive sms. That’s effectively free.

Combined with the push to get rid of anonymous accounts and phone numbers there has also been a push to get rid of cash. I expect to see a time in my lifetime where a country will fully do away with all anonymous forms of payment, effectively making it impossible to be anonymous.

Re:Living without a SIM card by rhn_mk1 on Sunday February 09, 2020 @11:28AM (#22282845)
> sharing your phone number with them shouldn’t change the level of privacy

It's not sharing that is lowering the privacy level, it's having to disclose all the information to the mobile operator, in addition to the hassle of needing an additional contract with a third, unrelated party.

Re:Living without a SIM card by jowsie on Sunday February 09, 2020 @10:11AM (#22282455)
I'm not sure how common it is, but in the UK I've known people who have been forced to use their 'free' SIM or risk having the number revoked and the SIM disabled.
Re:Living without a SIM card by ddalex on Sunday February 09, 2020 @11:01AM (#22282690)
What do you mean? How were they forced to use a number they didn't want? Why would they care if a number they don't what get disabled?
Re:Living without a SIM card by koolba on Sunday February 09, 2020 @11:04AM (#22282713)
> Why would they care if a number they don't what get disabled?

If you gave it as a security contact number to a financial institution you’d care if it was disabled.

Re:Living without a SIM card by xorcist on Sunday February 09, 2020 @11:47AM (#22282952)
Especially since the number will generally be recycled and given to someone else ...
Re:Living without a SIM card by funnybeam on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:24PM (#22292288)
Eventually. Old numbers are held out of use for, I think, five years before being reissued specifically to address security and privacy issues like this
Re:Living without a SIM card by astura on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:32AM (#22290589)
When I had a prepaid phone you had to buy minutes once a year at minimum otherwise you lost your existing minutes and your number was disabled.
Re:Living without a SIM card by hilbert42 on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @06:15PM (#22313836)
Let's be clear about this. Sorry I didn't make myself clearer in my post that I'd never entertain the idea of doing internet banking from a smartphone or any online PC or other facility (except an auto-teller using my card).

In fact, the last internet banking transaction I would have made would have been at least 10 years ago!

Re:Living without a SIM card by lotsofpulp on Sunday February 09, 2020 @09:53AM (#22282380)
Since the inevitable conclusion is impossibility of being anonymous, I think we should push to ensure full transparency for all. Otherwise, it ends badly for those not in power.
Re:Living without a SIM card by jhallenworld on Sunday February 09, 2020 @10:08AM (#22282440)
This was John Brunner's solution in Shockwave Rider. So does it work for preventing scammers and telemarketers? I guess it does since you would know who is calling you.
Re:Living without a SIM card by funnybeam on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:27PM (#22292323)
The problem with this is the asymmetry of power relationships - if everything is transparent it is very easy for a powerful group to use that against an individual but much harder the other way around
Re:Living without a SIM card by lotsofpulp on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:58PM (#22292618)
That’s happening anyway with non transparency. At least with transparency, it can be known, and perhaps acted on.
Re:Living without a SIM card by hilbert42 on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @06:17PM (#22313844)
Exactly. QED.
Re:Living without a SIM card by mnm1 on Sunday February 09, 2020 @12:57PM (#22283342)
> I expect to see a time in my lifetime where a country will fully do away with all anonymous forms of payment, effectively making it impossible to be anonymous.

That would mean either the elimination of poverty or a country that so hates its poor, it's willing to remove them from the economy altogether. I highly doubt that will happen, even in the US, where the poor are despised and hated by almost everyone. But then again, you never know.

Re:Living without a SIM card by icebraining on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:49AM (#22290091)
Many poor people already use digital forms of money. The others will probably have to resort to barter. Money is really hard to kill, though; if cash is unavailable, people will create informal alternatives.
Re:Living without a SIM card by mnm1 on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:07PM (#22291554)
Yeah, fuck them. Just let them resort to barter.
Re:Living without a SIM card by icebraining on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:29PM (#22292928)
People who assume predictions to be wishes are really tiresome.