Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU

Re:Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU by ryanwaggoner on Saturday February 08, 2020 @10:35AM (#22276234)

Every expert is not saying that the infection rate is much higher than the official numbers, but the death rate is reliable. They’re both unreliable and we just don’t know the true numbers. China’s reaction is not comforting though.

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Re:Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU by irq11 on Saturday February 08, 2020 @11:29AM (#22276551)

No, you misunderstood the parent, as well as the facts: experts are saying that the widely parroted “2%” number is an overestimate, and that the real infection rate is lower.

Deaths are easy to count. Minor cases of the virus are likely the most common sort, and never show up in a hospital at all.

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Re:Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU by cobookman on Saturday February 08, 2020 @12:33PM (#22277007)

Deaths are easy to count if they are counted. Local doctors have photos of more dead in the hospital than were reported by China.

Numbers don’t line up based on a basic statistical analysis.

Checkout these videos for reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSIt496d82s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkF4qYdNU9Y

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Re:Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU by ryanwaggoner on Saturday February 08, 2020 @01:13PM (#22277331)

No, I didn’t misunderstand anything. The “real experts” are saying that the denominator (number of infected) is likely much higher than official numbers. But they are not saying that the numerator (deaths) is accurately represented by official figures. Deaths are easy to count if you only count deaths of confirmed infected people. There’s plenty of evidence that people are dying outside of the medical system, and that China is not accurately reporting all deaths from within the medical system as being caused by the virus.

In short, we have no idea, and it’s very dishonest to claim that either number is remotely reliable at this point.

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Re:Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU by hef19898 on Saturday February 08, 2020 @03:00PM (#22277991)

Now the interesting question is which number is greater, unreported cases or unreported deaths. I'd say the number of unreported cases tends to be way higher than unreported deaths. Fits apparently epidemics in general. Also it is kind of logic. Severe cases have a bias to end up in hospitals, and to reported when they end deadly, only leaving the measuring error due to reporting issues.

Less severe cases on the other hand have a tendency to end up unreported, not in the hospital. Neither deadly. Still leaves a number of never reported cases. All in all, unreported cases are likely to be higher than unreported deaths. As a result, qualitatively speaking, mortality should be lower.

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Re:Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU by ryanwaggoner on Saturday February 08, 2020 @03:55PM (#22278276)

I'd say the number of unreported cases tends to be way higher than unreported deaths.

Of course, but that doesn’t mean that mortality will be lower. A much smaller number of unreported deaths can shift the rate upward. At a 2% mortality rate, you only need one unreported death for every 50 unreported infected to maintain the same rate. That might be laughably high or laughably low. We just don’t know.

But the people in the best position to know, the Chinese government, seem to be taking this pretty damn seriously.

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Re:Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU by hef19898 on Saturday February 08, 2020 @11:46AM (#22276672)

Exactly that!

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