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Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by minikites on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:00PM (#22260235)
Voter ID laws aren't about protecting elections, they're about disenfranchising voters:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/some-republicans-ackno...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/21/trump-advise...

Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by deadEndDave on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:23PM (#22260490)
If this was the case, then why do 17 other countries require ID when voting? Are they too "disenfranchising voters"??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_Identification_laws#Norw...

I would make a note that a majority of the Nordic countries like Sweden, Norway, and Iceland ALL require some form of ID when voting.

Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by kube-system on Thursday February 06, 2020 @07:15PM (#22261896)
They also have national IDs, which simplifies the situation.

Some of them even have compulsory national IDs, obviously that changes the dynamics of the situation entirely.

And they also don't have the 24th amendment.

I would bet the number of voters who are disenfranchised there is > 0

Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by 1000units on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:02PM (#22260254)
It's about keeping non-citizens who don't have the right to vote from voting. Not implementing these laws diminishes the enfranchised.
Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by josefresco on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:04PM (#22260277)
Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by 1000units on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:29PM (#22260538)
No, it isn't. However, let's assume it is. If you don't pay your (separate and presumably uncontroversial) federal taxes, you become a felon and legally disenfranchised. It becomes clear this is all a minor accounting detail.
Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by wbronitsky on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:08PM (#22260326)
Do we have any evidence that non-citizens voting is an actual problem, or are you just spreading FUD?

The GP has linked some well sourced articles about how voter ID laws have been used for primarily racist purposes in the US. Do you have any evidence that supports another narrative?

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Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by chishaku on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:41PM (#22260664)
Voter ID laws disproportionately disenfranchise minority communities.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-we-know-about-vote...

11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.

These voters are disproportionately low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, the elderly, and people with disabilities. Such voters more frequently have difficulty obtaining ID, because they cannot afford or cannot obtain the underlying documents that are a prerequisite to obtaining government-issued photo ID card.

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-...

Some Republicans Acknowledge Leveraging Voter ID Laws for Political Gain

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/some-republicans-ackno...

Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by 1000units on Thursday February 06, 2020 @07:17PM (#22261907)
I grew up in a poor, predominantly black inner-city. I and everyone I knew had an ID card, if not just to buy alcohol.

People who don't participate in our society enough to acquire basic documentation required for not living on the streets are overwhelmingly not interested in voting (this accounts for a sliver of the roughly half of the nation that didn't bother to participate in the last presidential election.) If you have the means and will to visit a poll booth, you have it to get an ID, unless there are legitimately disqualifying circumstances. If you believe this isn't the case, you should be lobbying explicitly to get these people ID's more easily, not to remove the requirement at the poll booth. This documentation is already required for virtually everything else; these (hypothetical) people need your help.

Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by wbronitsky on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:36PM (#22260607)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_St...

This is not a difficult topic, nor is it a very nuanced one; voter ID laws in the United States are and have been overwhelmingly racist. The answers to your questions are very much easily at hand, and we don't need to argue in ignorance. I understand it can be frustrating to see evidence that you are unprepared for; yet in order to have substantive conversations, we must be ready for such evidence, and consider it when it is present.

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Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by wbronitsky on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:45PM (#22260715)
Yes, as my posting history clearly indicates, I'm a schill for voting rights and equal representation.
Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by 1000units on Thursday February 06, 2020 @07:54PM (#22262158)
Me too, except the venue your personal household and the representation in the heart of your wife, whom I consider an attractive upgrade to mine.

Or are there conditions here you're omitting that distinguish heroism from banditry? I say I am entitled to my franchise, sir!

Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by corporate_shi11 on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:36PM (#22260605)
That's just propaganda based on speculation about what the "other side" intends with voter ID laws. People want voter ID laws so that non citizens can't vote. This is the reason why many developed countries around the world have some form of voter ID.
Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by chishaku on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:45PM (#22260705)
Some Republicans Acknowledge Leveraging Voter ID Laws for Political Gain

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/some-republicans-ackno...

Re:DHS plans urgently needed to address identified challenge... by corporate_shi11 on Thursday February 06, 2020 @10:14PM (#22262931)
Of course the desires of a few obscure people are irrelevant to the actual merits of voter ID. There are some Democrats who support immigration because they hate white people and want to "Brown" the country. Does that mean immigration is automatically a bad thing? Of course not.

Policies must be judged on their merits, not the reasons people support them.