France, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".

Good point. Update: "social democracy" is probably a better term here.

Those are all market economies. You're are factually incorrect and trying to cover it using "American definitions". None of those places are socialist and will actively tell you so if asked.

None of those places are capitalist either, and they will actively tell you so if asked.

This is nonsense. In fact last election the pm or Norway actively had to say that they were not socialist because Bernie kept repeating it.

Bernie never said that, only people like you. Norway follows a system of democratic socialism, which is colloquially referred to as "socialism" by some. They're definitely not capitalistic. You're just presenting the exact same strawman in a different way!

It's clear you're arguing in bad faith, so I'm just gonna leave it at that.

No, they do not. All of those countries have market economies.

Even Lenin, of all people, argued in favor of a (regulated) market economy.

It's a weird of inverse no-true-scotsman argument. I haven't met many socialists who argue in favor of a fully centralized economy. The big discussion, I suppose, is how much should be regulated, and which parts of our society should be 'markets'.

Don't bother, the rose emoji socialists in this country don't know the difference between socialism and social democracy.

Not the real definition, but the definition in most americans' heads. Many probably also conflate those with communism.

'Damn those dastardly Capitalists, underhandedly delivering superior living standards!'

You mean like what the U.S. did to Central American countries during the 80s? OR Vietnam, where we overthrew a democratically elected socialist government and installed a puppet, then dropped napalm on them when the didn't like that?

Where this falls down is that there were other capitalist countries that didn't do the bad things you describe. I challenge you to name a single experiment in communism that didn't lead to worse outcomes.

Communism isn't the only alternative to capitalism, you know that right?