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Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by LeoTinnitus on Sunday February 02, 2020 @07:54PM (#22220570)
My 2017 Air crashed because it couldn't close Firefox. I just hit Cmd+q and it'd close...but remain open, drawing a ridiculous amount of power. I had to hold the power button down to keep it from running Firefox as if I was rendering a 4k video.
Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by danaris on Monday February 03, 2020 @08:49AM (#22224066)
Have you tried a Force Quit? (Cmd-Opt-Esc)
Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by nine_k on Monday February 03, 2020 @12:33AM (#22221672)
Killing Firefox processes from a terminal could help.
Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by LeoTinnitus on Monday February 03, 2020 @10:21PM (#22232049)
I have no clue why I never thought of that. I was kinda in a hurry and needed stuff up and running quick so I just went with the first solution that came to mind.
Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by throwawayjava on Monday February 03, 2020 @12:52AM (#22221749)
Yes, that's true. But if I'm opening up the terminal because the UI is glitchy I'll just use Ubuntu...
Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by sbuk on Monday February 03, 2020 @01:25AM (#22221889)
Anicdata: in my experience, this is genuinely a Firefox issue. Happens to me in Windows and Linux too.
Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by regularfry on Monday February 03, 2020 @03:16AM (#22222370)
It may be caused by Firefox, but "being robust to misbehaving applications" is one of the qualities it's reasonable to expect from an OS.
Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by sbuk on Monday February 03, 2020 @03:27AM (#22222415)
It is, but when it affects all OSs and the offending software is using its own UI stack, it’s the app, not the OS.
Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by andrewflnr on Monday February 03, 2020 @01:27PM (#22227255)
It's the app, but also all the OS's. You're allowed to say that the problem is "every component involved is behaving badly".
Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by sbuk on Monday February 03, 2020 @05:03PM (#22229731)
You are, doesn't mean it's correct. Look at it this way. It's been happening for a while, on multiple platforms, where other software isn't exhibiting the problem, applying Occam's razor suggests the issue lies with the software.

I accept your point of view, but the GP was suggesting this is another in a long list of bugs introduced into Catalina. Since, anecdotally, I have first hand experience of this affecting me on other platforms as well as previous macOS versions, logic and reason suggest that the problem was not in fact introduced in Catalina, but lies squarely at the foot of Mozilla. Not everything is fair and balanced. I believe, in this case, that Mozilla are solely at fault, not any of the OS vendors/distributors.

Apologies if this comes across as tetchy; I've been dealing with pettiness and unreasonableness all day. My intention was not to defend Apple (or anyone else) or to besmirch Mozilla. I was merely trying to be helpful by pointing out that this problem affects the same software in the same way on different platform.

Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by regularfry on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:06AM (#22235050)
The alternative interpretation is that Firefox is a particularly effective toolkit for finding OS bugs.

No OS should ever fall over because of a misbehaving application. That's one of their fundamental jobs, and failing at it is a defect. The fact that all the major OSes do doesn't vindicate them; nor is it particularly surprising that Catalina doesn't pull away from the pack. It is, however, disappointing.

Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by sbuk on Friday February 07, 2020 @06:58PM (#22272490)
> The alternative interpretation is that Firefox is a particularly effective toolkit for finding OS bugs.

That is one way of looking at it. I'd argue that it's not a particularly usefully of looking at it. Ideologies aside, your last sentence says a lot. The fact remains that buggy software from a cross platform vendor is causing this issue across the platforms they provide the software for. Be under no illusion, the issue is Mozilla's a no-one else.

Re:Is Catalina a Good Upgrade Yet? by favadi on Monday February 03, 2020 @01:57AM (#22222018)
On Ubuntu, I still have to do Alt + F2, restart every few days to reset the graphical glitch.