Re:Ask HN: How do we stop the polarization/toxicicity fillin...
by mpalmer on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:01PM
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> That's an incredibly polarizing statement, and one who makes it is immediately labeled as a bigot. Some go as far as to say such an individual is "denying trans people exist."
Great point. A huge part of the problem is language. Subtlety and nuance gets stripped away (especially online), so that everything you disagree with is an unconscionable violation. It's the language of clickbait.
I'm sure the idea is to break through the noise and mobilize people against perceived injustice, but all it does is make the noise that much louder.
Re:Ask HN: How do we stop the polarization/toxicicity fillin...
by x86_64Ubuntu on Friday January 31, 2020 @07:07PM
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"You have to be careful because there is so much room in the details and someone not accepting 100% of x world view doesn't immediately make them a terrible human being."
Like what? What could be the "not a terrible human being" part be about someone who wants the state to disacknowledge someone's humanity?
That's an incredibly polarizing statement, and one who makes it is immediately labeled as a bigot. Some go as far as to say such an individual is "denying trans people exist."
There is a lot to unpack there, and people can have reasonable debates about both sides of that statement. Adam Conover and Joe Rogan have had such a conversation (it's a really good episode of the Rogan podcast), but many people refuse to even listen to it because they consider Rogan a bigot/alt-right-adjacent/etc.
You have to be careful because there is so much room in the details and someone not accepting 100% of x world view doesn't immediately make them a terrible human being.
In the past, controversial views converge over time. Heidegger talked about extreme ideas as a thesis, those trying to keep things as they are as antithesis, and eventually society moves together with some kind of synthesis. All that feels like it's been thrown out the window for extreme left or extreme right ideology.