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Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by erichocean on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:21PM (#22205887)
"Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag"

https://biorxiv-cache.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/2020.01.30....

> [ABSTRACT] We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus.

Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by gravelc on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:34PM (#22206034)
This is laughable.

Table 1 shows four alignments. The first two are only six contiguous residues, so can easily happen by chance. Three has multiple mistmatches as well as the gap (red). Four has an even larger gap to get the alignment.

Take any two viruses and there's a decent likelihood of finding similar alignments.

Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by KaoruAoiShiho on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:55PM (#22206252)
Thanks honestly reassuring.

- Some layman.

Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by dylz on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:53PM (#22206775)
They don't appear to even be matching entire sequences. An analogy might be "these two web pages both contain <div>*</div>! oh no!" while completely disregarding everything in the middle.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by KaoruAoiShiho on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:24PM (#22207033)
If it's as bad as it sounds, would this be a neophyte mistake or deliberate conspiracy mongering?
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by dylz on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:36PM (#22207121)
I don't know, nor am I in a position to really have an opinion on this, but it might even be as small of a reason as "hey I want to get published"

The PDF itself is MS Word, has numerous typos/little care (words like 'alingment'), random font changes back and forth between Times New Roman and the default MS Word font (Calibri?))

For HIV related fearmongering about "well, why would they know to treat it with HIV meds??", people are looking at this already because previous SARS-CoV has previous investigation with HIV medication, it is not unique to nCOV: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14985565, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15144898, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14519691 - these are from 2003-2006.

Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by dekhn on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:31PM (#22207086)
Based on my read, it's inexperienced bioinformaticists.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by randall on Friday January 31, 2020 @07:22PM (#22207422)
That makes the first thing sound like treknobabble.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by zozbot234 on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:25PM (#22205944)
FWIW, https://old.reddit.com/user/BurrShotFirst1804 is claiming that this (preprint, unreviewed) paper is very misleading, speaking as (supposedly) someone highly familiar with at least one of these HIV proteins. Not sure what to make of either the paper itself or this response to it.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by rococode on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:54PM (#22206245)
Copying /u/BurrShotFirst1804's main response here for easier reference:

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This study is crap.

My comment from another thread. This paper isn't peer reviewed or published. It's just an online journal.

I've worked pretty closely with gag in my PhD thesis. Gag is the conglomerate protein that gets cut by the protease to generate the hiv capsid, matrix, and carrier proteins. Gp120 is the receptor protein.

This is a really fucking dumb study and these scientists should be ashamed. Those amino acids are so short. They just went and looked for a virus to match. You can go and blast the amino acids yourself. Just copy and paste from the journal entry into NCBIs BLASTp. I did it and there's hundreds of matches to those sequences. HIV didn't even come up in the first 100. The 4th residue is missing like 6 amino acids. There are conserved regions in viruses. Their "gp120" match compares 6 amino acids out of 850 in the whole protein for example.

They found 4 sections that were in the new virus but not SARS. They then took these differences and ran them against all known viral proteins. They only looked at proteins with 100% matches, but if you look at the table they didn't match 100% for alignment. So like one is ABCEFG and they match it to an HIV protein that is ABCXYZEFG and they are calling those total matches. There's also tons of viruses that match these tiny sequences, they just noticed all 4 have HIV matches so they ignore the other matches and only looked at HIV.

Go blast it yourself if you want.

Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by dekhn on Friday January 31, 2020 @07:05PM (#22207321)
A significant part of my postdoc training involved carefully determining what BLAST hits are likely to be true or not. However, I saw some scientists (often bored, or inexperienced) who would set their E-value threshold to 10 (IE, expect 9 false positives for every true positive) and just sort of mine the results until they had some other data that seemed "significant" and published. A lot of science is done this way :(
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by flycaliguy on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:23PM (#22207023)
I’m think they might be aiming at HIV because China has also been in the news for genetically modifying two babies to prevent HIV. Disinformation designed to send people down a hole, linking stuff together to make it seem more plausible.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by m_alexgr on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:29PM (#22205986)
Difficult to properly peer review when things are moving so quickly.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by Fomite on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:57PM (#22206280)
Plenty of things are being peer reviewed properly with this outbreak. But you can't take preprints in biology as any more holy writ than you can the occasional post on arXiv where someone claims to have come up with a complete unified model for physics, or solved a previously intractable problem.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by m_alexgr on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:54PM (#22206787)
True about the complete theory. I would suggest that proper review takes time though. Many eyes.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by gkarthik92 on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:23PM (#22206534)
A simple BLAST search of those inserts shows matches to MANY different organisms. No reason to conclude HIV.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by justinzollars on Friday January 31, 2020 @07:46PM (#22207603)
This paper is not yet peer reviewed. I'm sure this claim will be studied exhaustively in the coming days/weeks.
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by chiefalchemist on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:26PM (#22205951)
Can someone translate this?
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by coolspot on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:33PM (#22206025)
Parts of 2019-nCoV are similar to Human Immunodeficiency Virus .

[HIV] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_and_genome_of_HIV

[gp120] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gp120

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Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by dylz on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:06PM (#22206893)
It was done for other coronavirus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15144898
Re:Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spr... by LoSboccacc on Saturday February 01, 2020 @01:26AM (#22209065)
so it's a string of random hunches, all rotating around novel Chinese viruses and hiv

damn they're lucky!