Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating homelessness

Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home... by jacobush on Friday January 31, 2020 @09:06AM (#22201722)

It used to be that you could wander far off into the woods, chop down some trees and start building a house. The government won't let you do this. There didn't even use to be a government. It's only fair I think that if there is a government which stops us from doing these things, it could help provide housing some other way instead.

Super simplified, but just to give a nuance between "right to have" vs "right to not being hindered".

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Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home... by yters on Friday January 31, 2020 @10:33AM (#22202464)

Or, the government should not stop us from doing these things. The government is for the people, by the people, not some overlord we need to ask permission from.

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Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home... by loco5niner on Friday January 31, 2020 @11:22AM (#22202863)

I agree with your previous post, but I do think it's good that the government puts limits on where you build. And honestly, if we don't like it, it's the government we elected, and we can elect a new government. But it seems we are ok with that so far.

> The government is ... not some overlord we need to ask permission from.

I see it as the government is restricting certain people from trodding on the rights of other people. Otherwise you get things like chemical companies dumping waste straight into rivers, etc.

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Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home... by yters on Friday January 31, 2020 @11:36AM (#22203012)

Yes, it makes sense to stop corporations poisoning people by dumping toxins into rivers. But, generally stopping people from building on land is more in the government's interest than the people's interest.

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Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home... by loco5niner on Friday January 31, 2020 @07:11PM (#22207358)

I don't know all the details, but I'm certainly glad people can't just randomly build things wherever they want. I can imagine lot's of some people rights being trampled by selfish people.

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Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home... by socialdemocrat on Friday January 31, 2020 @07:52PM (#22207651)

How on earth do you distinguish between the people and the government in a properly functioning democracy? That is essentially the same thing. The government in a democracy is an expression of the will of the people. You cannot argue that the people want something different from a democratically elected government.

That makes absolutely no sense. It only makes sense when it is a failed democracy where elections are corrupted or bought in some way.

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Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home... by loco5niner on Monday February 03, 2020 @12:30PM (#22226494)

> It only makes sense when it is a failed democracy where elections are corrupted or bought in some way.

Which people can make arguments for ;-)

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Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home... by yters on Saturday February 01, 2020 @11:50PM (#22215199)

It's an expression of the will of part of the people. No government is elected unanimously.

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