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Re:Climate Target Update Tracker by wpasc on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:13AM (#22170701)
U.S. is critically insufficient (hasn't fracking lowered our emissions over the past few years?) while China is only highly insufficient with India sufficient for 2oC?

Genuinely curious, would someone mind explaining that to me?

Re:Climate Target Update Tracker by evandijk70 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @12:50PM (#22171896)
They have vastly different CO2 emission goals according to what is 'fair', compare:

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa/

with:

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/

Despite that China's CO2 emissions are increasing and the US emissions are decreasing, China meets its goal while the US does not.

The following page explains how these goals were set

https://climateactiontracker.org/methodology/comparability-o...

Re:Climate Target Update Tracker by efitz on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:28AM (#22170878)
It doesn't track outcomes, it tracks policy. The China and India ratings make it clear that they aren't tracking effectiveness or whether the policies are even being implemented.
Re:Climate Target Update Tracker by caseysoftware on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:56AM (#22171197)
That's a small but hugely important distinction that I didn't see disclosed up front.

By that reasoning, the alcoholic who promises "to never drink again!" is on the right track even if he's at the bar drinking right now.

Re:Climate Target Update Tracker by godelski on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @02:44PM (#22173301)
This is the main criticism with a lot of these comparisons. That it doesn't help us solve the problem but rather does virtue signaling. I think a better comparison is maps like these[0], though they don't tell the full story either. No one map will. Unsurprisingly, climate is a multifaceted and complex problem that is extremely difficult to solve and needs much more than policy to solve.

[0] https://www.electricitymap.org/?wind=false&solar=false&page=...

Re:Climate Target Update Tracker by JungleGymSam on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @04:22PM (#22174188)
Exactly. This is just alarmism.
Re:Climate Target Update Tracker by imtringued on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @10:52AM (#22181826)
Global temperatures are not influenced by yearly emissions. The driving factor of climate change are cumulative emissions over the last 2 centuries. China is a huge emitter but their emissions only started rising 20 years ago. [0] Their cumulative emissions are still significantly below USA.

[0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/World_fo...

Re:Climate Target Update Tracker by ido on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:15AM (#22170718)
I would guess poorer countries' citizens produce less co2 per capita due to using less resources?