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Re:Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video] by BiteCode_dev on Monday January 27, 2020 @07:43AM (#22158763)
> What the original commenter is saying, and what I will agree will happen, is that the behavior of automatically trusting video as evidence will go away.

This is doubtful. People still believe in pictures despite it's so easy to forge. People believe obvious oral lies. Hell, people believe tweets.

The video medium is incredibly powerful, and the damage it can do is huge.

We are going to suffer for this, and most people won't even understand why.

Re:Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video] by ckastner on Monday January 27, 2020 @08:15AM (#22158924)
>The video medium is incredibly powerful, and the damage it can do is huge.

I fully agree. Even if rationally, one rejects a video is fake, it does have the potential to influence the subconscious.

Re:Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video] by novaRom on Monday January 27, 2020 @08:02AM (#22158855)
I am observing increasing number of people is now seriously believe in "Moon Hoax". Definitely more than back in 70-80th. Why is that? Generation of YouTube? Deliberate propaganda?
Re:Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video] by Davertron on Monday January 27, 2020 @08:58AM (#22159213)
OK, but are there actually more people who believe in this now, or are you just more aware of it?
Re:Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video] by Krasnol on Monday January 27, 2020 @08:34AM (#22159026)
Don't forget the Flat Earth movement.

I don't think anything about that is "deliberate propaganda".

It's just nutjobs gathering and gatherings of nutjobs creating more nutjobs. It's much easier these days with "social" media.

Re:Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video] by overthemoon on Monday January 27, 2020 @09:17AM (#22159382)
What is the actual social impact of the flat earth thing, though? Is flat earth creating new nutjobs? Does it really have the power to draw from the ranks of the rational, or is it drawing in people who would have fallen for something absurd eventually? I'd be curious to find out what social conditions predispose people to believing it.
Re:Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video] by DarthGhandi on Monday January 27, 2020 @11:38AM (#22160932)
They have big conferences about it, as long as no one is hurt all good with that, but truly doubt that people aren't being hurt by this delusion.

It's an illness that demands rejection of overwhelming proof, it leads down dark paths, much like how arsonists become murderers these things need to be cutoff at the stem. There's nothing wrong with that

Re:Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video] by everdrive on Monday January 27, 2020 @11:21AM (#22160726)
This might not be a popular answer, but I think the hope is that a rube would "fall for" something positive that happens to be correct and/or beneficial. eg, suppose somebody believes in modern physics, not because they understand it all, but because they know this is the "right" idea.

This is obviously less ideal than someone actually understanding an idea they profess to hold, but it's far better to have support around beneficial ideas. It's not hard to imagine a lot of important issues fitting into this: support for liberalism and demoracy, support for global warming, support for coherent ideas about vaccines, etc. These all require broad public support, and the truth of the matter is that many people generally don't spend much time evaluating why they believe what they do.

I understand this is not a perfect point of view: eg, who gets to decide what the "best" ideas are.

Re:Pinscreen Deepfake Live Prototype [video] by WilTimSon on Monday January 27, 2020 @08:54AM (#22159176)
Well, it's also the fact that people have learned how to monetize this stuff effectively. I mean, even the first fakes were monetized (stuff like shocking photos of fairies would be sold, the people who took them would travel the country and speak about their 'amazing discoveries) but, nowadays, you can just write a book about the Earth being flat because all you need to make money off of it is a few contrarian people or conspiracy theorists.

Even Alex Jones, a figure so obviously deranged with claims that sound like satire, has been selling supplements and merch. All because these days anybody has a platform and monetizing lies is easier than ever. People will believe anything, especially if it's 'published in a scientific magazine', nevermind that the publication has no credibility, reliable sources, or academic integrity. This is how anti-vaxxers got their start, after all.