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Re:Jim Lehrer’s Rules of Journalism by busterarm on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:33PM (#22148471)
What do you do when it's the NYT Editorial Board themselves writing the Op-Ed that gets facts wrong?

The older I've gotten, the more I've read news stories that are directly related to me, my industry or people I'm in regular contact with. The percentage of these stories that are demonstrably false even on a basic fact checking level is 100%. In most instances, the reporting tells the exact opposite story from the events that happened and every single part of the story is misrepresented.

I started to see this a lot with Vice and BuzzFeed but it's crept into WaPo and most notably the NYT. I can't trust the Grey Lady anymore.

Re:Jim Lehrer’s Rules of Journalism by iudqnolq on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:49PM (#22148834)
FYI, all the articles I clicked on in the link that started all of this were opeds by people not associated with the nytimes.
Re:Jim Lehrer’s Rules of Journalism by thu2111 on Monday January 27, 2020 @05:44AM (#22158202)
Does it matter? What separates some random blog on blogspot from an op-ed in the NYT? If it's anything at all it should be that the op-ed is higher quality and more likely to have its facts in order. That clearly isn't the case at all, and that correctly degrades the brand of the entire newspaper. If they're willing to publish claims that are transparently false in their op-eds section why would it be any different in their news section? They already established that factual accuracy is optional.
Re:Jim Lehrer’s Rules of Journalism by iudqnolq on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @05:19PM (#22174725)
> If they're willing to publish claims that are transparently false in their op-eds section why would it be any different in their news section?

Because op-eds are for controversial positions that are of public interest but aren't supported well enough or neutral enough for a news article. That's the definition. If it's clearly true you won't find it in an op-ed in general in any newspaper.

I'm sick of people who can't be bothered to look up terms they don't know using them to spuriously attack institutions that are crucial to our liberty in America.

Re:Jim Lehrer’s Rules of Journalism by thu2111 on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:13PM (#22205811)
OK, let's rephrase. Why have op-eds at all? I understand why 30 years ago. But today anyone can publish online. The op-ed appears to be an obsolete institution that's now seriously degrading trust in news outlets.

If bias and inaccuracy was random then "it's just interesting blogs" might be an acceptable way for op-ed sections to go. When the problems trend obviously in one direction it becomes clear that the entire organisation has an agenda.

crucial to our liberty in America

As you may have guessed, I'm not American, and I'm sick of meeting Americans who have completely bizarre and distorted views of the UK because of the factually inaccurate nonsense they read in this supposedly high quality "newspaper".

Re:Jim Lehrer’s Rules of Journalism by busterarm on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:14PM (#22148955)
I wasn't speaking to that article specifically but at the lax stewardship that the NYT is under right now.

NYT Editorial Board members do write Op-Eds of the sort I mention.