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Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by xhkkffbf on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:15PM (#22142532)
If we can't figure out gravity, what hope have we of doing ANY science? I mean stuff falls. Everything falls. The orbits of the planets aren't that complex, but gravity pretty much predicts them close to perfectly.
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by xenocyon on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:57PM (#22142868)
It's not that we can't model gravity at planetary-orbit scales; that's been done. The issue is that relativity (which addresses gravity) is a good model at large scales and the quantum "Standard Model" (which addresses the other three forces) is a good model at small scales, but these two models are incompatible with each other and no falsifiable theory that works at all scales has yet been found.
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by Koshkin on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:07PM (#22143235)
They cannot be "incompatible with each other," otherwise Nature would be "incompatible" with itself.
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by tsimionescu on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:17PM (#22143295)
The models are incompatible with each other, which means that one or both are somehow wrong, or there is some boundary we can't fathom between the small scale and the large.
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by Koshkin on Friday January 24, 2020 @07:18PM (#22143610)
Wrong - we do know that the models are not incompatible. (There exists a consistent mathematical framework that includes both.) Me, I was referring to a simpler fact that these models are both pretty damn close to what Nature itself tells us.
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by bobcostas55 on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:15PM (#22143275)
Models are not nature.
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by dwaltrip on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:52PM (#22142831)
We have a working model of gravity that is very accurate in an incredibly broad array of circumstances. You acknowledge this in your comment.

This is a scientific result. What are you trying to say?

Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by hannob on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:29PM (#22142647)
I don't understand a lot about how the computer in front of me works (ok, I know more than the average person, but still I don't know a whole lot). Yet I'm still able to use it.

We understand enough of the effects gravity to describe most phenomena that are relevant for most other parts of science. From my lay understanding what physicists are missing is how to tie in gravity with all the other theories they believe are true. However the effects, whatever they are, are so small that we can in most cases just ignore them.

Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by gumby on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:25PM (#22142613)
this pop sci article does address that: we have a good theory of gravity at macroscopic scale but none at the quantum level.
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by jdkee on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:19PM (#22142563)
"Science is magic that works."

-K. Vonnegut

Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by Koshkin on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:11PM (#22143253)
There'also Clarke's Third Law.
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by empath75 on Friday January 24, 2020 @05:08PM (#22142925)
How does gravity impact photons and quarks? That’s the part that’s missing.
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by Koshkin on Friday January 24, 2020 @10:18PM (#22144402)
How? If I understand the question - just like everything else. (Bends light, for example.)
Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by jes5199 on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:11PM (#22144615)
yess, but then the numbers that power quantum physics stop working. something about the renormalization group?

My incorrect understanding is something like: quantum models imply a uniform layer of “virtual” particle/anti-particle pairs popping in and out of existence. but if the space they’re in is curved like general relativity describes, then the pairs don’t find each and annihilate each other reliably and all your math trends towards infinity instead of towards zero. or something vaguely like that.

Re:Gravity: We might have been getting it wrong by hinkley on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:30PM (#22143374)
I'm still trying to recover from learning that gravity waves can be curved by gravity.