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Re:What can you use instead of Google and Facebook? by conception on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:11PM (#22140222)
Capitalism isn't all about choice and competition.

Free Markets are.

Capitalism is about the means of production being held in private hands - but those private hands still do their best to own all of the means of production and to lock out potential competitors.

The two get conflated (free markets and capitalism) but they are different beasts. In fact, you can have a free market socialism (tried semi-successfully by Yugoslavia). But ensuring free markets via regulation is how to keep Capitalism from becoming a Gibson novel.

Re:What can you use instead of Google and Facebook? by rapnie on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:22PM (#22140336)
Do you have a good read of free markets? I often see them pop up in discussions defending capitalism, and always got the idea they are some kind of utopia in the way they were presented.
Re:What can you use instead of Google and Facebook? by haolez on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:17PM (#22140286)
Free market socialism? How would information about value be propagated? That's usually done via prices and money.
Re:What can you use instead of Google and Facebook? by thiagoharry on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:40PM (#22140534)
Some options:

a) Also using competition, prices and money, but with factories, companies and lands organized by worker's cooperatives, with the profit shared according with some logic not based in mere property.

b) Using only prices and money while keeping updated data about production and consumption, and updating prices based in these data. Perhaps easier with modern technology than in the past. The information about these things can propagate in wires and communication means like the other kind of information that the society needs.

Re:What can you use instead of Google and Facebook? by haolez on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:49PM (#22140633)
I think that a) already happens when a company shares its profits with the workforce. Mere competition will force the competitors of such a company to do that as well to attract talent.

Item b) sounds like capitalism and blockchain to me :)

About item c), heuristics and politics don't go well together, according to my intuition.

But these are just my opinions. This is a fascinating topic.

Re:What can you use instead of Google and Facebook? by haolez on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:13PM (#22143261)
There were some nasty edits from the parent
Re:What can you use instead of Google and Facebook? by andrepd on Friday January 24, 2020 @01:20PM (#22140965)
Precisely. "Prices and money" is the "free market" part. The "socialism" part means "collective/social ownership of companies and means of production".