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Re:More nurturing reading environment may stimulate brain de... by jerf on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:06AM (#22139417)
Ugh, I know, right. I'm still waiting for the education app that isn't "a drill quiz, ... but on a computer! [1]", or "a drill quiz but with flashylights when you get it right/wrong" to be used at scale by schools.

I have seen some that get like a special day at school. There was something they did with Scratch, for instance.

I've thought that part of the reason that all the studies are showing that computers don't seem to help with education are just showing that computers as they are currently used don't help with education. A key element of ... but on a computer! is that if you just take something from the physical world and put it on a computer, you end up with the disadvantages of both compounding. To successfully put something on a computer, you need to work out a way to harness the unique advantages a computer can give you to make up for the inevitable disadvantages it brings. Simply randomizing numbers for addition & multiplication isn't really it.

[1]: http://www.jerf.org/iri/post/2916

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Re:More nurturing reading environment may stimulate brain de... by cr0sh on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:23PM (#22140350)
> I've thought that part of the reason that all the studies are showing that computers don't seem to help with education are just showing that computers as they are currently used don't help with education. A key element of ... but on a computer! is that if you just take something from the physical world and put it on a computer, you end up with the disadvantages of both compounding.

What's amazing to me is that this is still being discussed, even though a solution to the problem was found decades ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Papert

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindstorms_(book)

I think that you might find Papert's ideas interesting; he based a lot of them on the foundations laid by Piaget:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Piaget

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaget%27s_theory_of_cognitive...

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Re:More nurturing reading environment may stimulate brain de... by jacobolus on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:12PM (#22142508)
> I'm still waiting for the education app that isn't "a drill quiz, ... but on a computer!"

From what I remember all of the "educational computer games" I played in the early 1990s were more or less this.

There have been some better ones though, over the years. Say Lemmings or World of Goo.

The best is probably something like Logo or Scratch, with some help/guidance from an adult.

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Re:More nurturing reading environment may stimulate brain de... by dubya on Friday January 24, 2020 @10:12PM (#22144381)
I have fond memories of some of the old Apple II games, and my kids have enjoyed the ones they've tried. No real emulation of anything physical, usually played by kids in pairs, and the feedback loop was slow enough that you couldn't just try lots of random things instead of thinking. Some I've tried with my kids at various times are The Pond, The Factory, and Rocky's Boots. I don't know of modern equivalents. Maybe Manufactoria?

What kids play in school though these days (does that make me sound old?) are things like Prodigy (prodigygame.com), featuring decent graphics but mind-numbing content, with constant nags to upgrade to a premium account.

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