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Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by ab_testing on Thursday January 23, 2020 @06:03PM (#22133277)
If your kids were born in the United States,the states already has their genetic information. https://www.babysfirsttest.org/newborn-screening/states
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by 0xffff2 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @06:18PM (#22133422)
The US Government already has my DNA thanks to my military service. I very much hope that they aren't sharing it with private companies though. Despite the government having my DNA I would still never give it to 23 and me.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by ajphdiv on Thursday January 23, 2020 @08:08PM (#22134341)
There are very strict laws on how that DNA can be used. Only to identify remains.

You can also request it be destroyed:

https://www.health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Research-and-I...

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by ci5er on Thursday January 23, 2020 @08:41PM (#22134561)
I would be shocked if IAFIS didn't have that stored in South Carolina strip-mall hosted database like all the other biometrics they can get from birth, disease, criminal activity, police, federal and military service. The feds do love their biometric data.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by thatfrenchguy on Thursday January 23, 2020 @06:36PM (#22133581)
I trust the government more than a for profit corp for this.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by jjeaff on Thursday January 23, 2020 @10:04PM (#22135024)
Did you know most DMVs are selling your data to private companies?
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by collyw on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:02AM (#22136278)
What's a DMV?
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by x62Bh7948f on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:19AM (#22136363)
department of motor vehicles
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by brigandish on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:02PM (#22133818)
Which form of abstract grouping of people is the most trustworthy?
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by JohnFen on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:28PM (#22134047)
The group that you have some sort of actual say in how they operate. That usually means the government, not a private business.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by brigandish on Thursday January 23, 2020 @10:49PM (#22135239)
You can buy shares that give you voting rights in a company, and you can decide to spend (or not) your money with a company. The latter is not available to you with the government and has been shown, I would argue, to have a greater effect over a company than voting in a democracy, and that's as an individual. Maybe that's comparable with picking parties to vote for but it's not quite the same.

I wouldn't trust either form over the other though, and if anything, I'd want their incentives to be set up so they were mostly in opposition so as to limit the power of each other.

If I was to pick an abstract group to trust, it surely would be family first.

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by JohnFen on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:07AM (#22139434)
> You can buy shares that give you voting rights in a company

Which is saying that you can only have a "vote" if you're wealthy enough. That doesn't seem like an actual solution to me.

> and you can decide to spend (or not) your money with a company.

Which is what I do, but doing that doesn't affect the company's behavior.

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by brigandish on Sunday January 26, 2020 @07:00PM (#22155772)
> Which is saying that you can only have a "vote" if you're wealthy enough.

No, it's saying you can vote if you buy a share. Are you saying that wealthy individuals in a democracy don't have an outsized advantage in shaping policy and the behaviour of government? But they have the same voting rights as you or me, so there must be something else going on…

> doing that doesn't affect the company's behavior.

You're saying that withholding your money from a company has no effect on its behaviour? Try cancelling a long standing account with a company today, like your phone provider, and see if it provokes any kind of response. You might get a free upgrade out of it.

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by cubano on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:48PM (#22134202)
I would say that statistically, over a large sample size, that the chances that either would abuse information is exactly equal.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by celticmusic on Thursday January 23, 2020 @08:43PM (#22134573)
I don't know that I'd say it's exactly equal, but the idea that any typical individual really has much say over the Federal Governments decisions is laughable.

Even if it were your local town, city, or county government managing it, do you think they're going to fight the federal government if they ask for access to it? Over you, a nobody, when the Federal Government is going to threaten to withhold money for whatever if they don't?

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by thrwaway69 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @10:39PM (#22135201)
This is why we need smaller countries in any democracy.

Anything too big isn't democratic as much as political spending, alluring promises (that will be broken), campaigning, making the others look more evil than you, etc etc

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by bsanr2 on Thursday January 23, 2020 @09:52PM (#22134959)
You would be wrong. And in the unlikely case that you're right, you can organize and/or vote to do something about it.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by jjeaff on Thursday January 23, 2020 @10:05PM (#22135029)
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by refurb on Thursday January 23, 2020 @08:57PM (#22134679)
Sure, but a for-profit Corp can’t arrest you, in prison you, or take away your rights.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by blaser-waffle on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:40AM (#22138642)
Sure, but they can lobby heavily to make that a likelihood, e.g. For-Profit Prisons.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by untog on Thursday January 23, 2020 @06:35PM (#22133564)
That page doesn't say they store it?

In any case, the government having this data and a private, for profit company having this data feels like two quite different things.

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by ibeckermayer on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:02PM (#22133817)
Governments are made up of people capable of good and evil just the same as private companies. If we’re simply going by the historical record, governments have committed some of the world’s greatest atrocities in the name of certain genetic theories.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by JohnFen on Thursday January 23, 2020 @07:27PM (#22134034)
> governments have committed some of the world’s greatest atrocities in the name of certain genetic theories.

As have private companies.

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by testrun on Friday January 24, 2020 @08:25PM (#22144019)
Like?
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by big_chungus on Thursday January 23, 2020 @06:58PM (#22133778)
Certainly, they're different. I'm pretty confident about a company's profit motive; not so much with the government which changes every few years. I don't like a company having it (and will never take such a test), but like the government even less. The government's the one that can bust down my door at 3 AM, haul me away, and shoot me if I resist.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by katzgrau on Thursday January 23, 2020 @10:28PM (#22135148)
A company's direction is going to be aligned with the owners/shareholders goal, which isn't always but in most cases is profit. At least we know that.

Government? Who knows - whatever behavior emerges when you get a bunch of self promotors, egotists and idealists to compete amongst each other for whatever it is that each is individually competing for.

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by TeMPOraL on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:27AM (#22136666)
So in other words, with companies we know for sure the data will be abused badly, as much as possible. Governments are a wildcard; today they may actually protect this data and use it mostly responsibly. Tomorrow, they may bust your head for being related to someone or some group they don't like.
Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by katzgrau on Friday January 24, 2020 @08:45AM (#22138131)
Not really, because many companies are owned by decent people who have a personal value system and their companies are reflections of that. Most business owners I've met are good and decent people. It's actually very hard to build a great company and team if you're aren't a genuinely decent person.

When a company is sold or is subject to the interests of people divorced from the original mission and values of the company, problems will likely emerge.

I guess my point is that you can't really trust anybody, because humans are the fundamental building block of both corporations and government, and their personal or collective self interests emerge to create issues regardless of their structure or purpose.

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by TeMPOraL on Friday January 24, 2020 @09:45AM (#22138685)
> because many companies are owned by decent people who have a personal value system and their companies are reflections of that

Sure. But in context of privacy, tell me, what personal value system is reflected in companies that suck in and process that data? I mean the marketing, the adtech, the data brokerage companies? Being charitable, I imagine it's "do well unto my customers (i.e. other companies); everyone else is irrelevant". Which I guess is defensible under the moral framework exploitative capitalism, but that doesn't satisfy me as one of those "everyone else" whose data gets processed. That people in companies that abuse my data have work ethics is not reassuring me in the slightest.

> When a company is sold or is subject to the interests of people divorced from the original mission and values of the company, problems will likely emerge.

I think almost all of companies are like that. In particular, VC-funded startups are like that from the day one - the investors are absolutely "divorced from the original mission and values of the company".

> their personal or collective self interests emerge to create issues regardless of their structure or purpose.

And my point is that if you look at the structure of these self interests, how they flow in the vector field of incentives, and if you look at what capabilities peoples, companies and governments have, the picture is pretty predictable: private companies will, on average, screw you over always, incessantly; governments (at least the western kind) will be friendly most of the time, but if and when they do decide to screw you up, the immediate consequences will be much worse.

Re:23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline by refurb on Thursday January 23, 2020 @08:56PM (#22134670)
Indeed! Nearly every state does a heal prick of newborns and screens their DNA for a host of genetic disorders.