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Re:NeXTSTEP on the HP 712 Part 1: Installation by wpietri on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @10:48AM (#22118516)
As a NeXT developer who started the NeXT User Group at my college, I agree they were lovely machines, way ahead of their time.

But I want to be quite clear that as a business, NeXT failed. They started out wanting to be an integrated hardware/software company, like Apple. But Jobsian arrogance entirely undercut that; it was a machine developed (and priced) for people like Jobs, so it never found market acceptance outside of a few market niches like finance, where people had money to burn.

Eventually they gave up on hardware and shifted to being an operating system on other people's hardware: Sun, HP, and eventually, a narrow set of Intel-based PCs. This kept them going a little longer, and made things easier for their existing customers doing in-house development, but they were still failing more slowly.

They then pivoted toward being developer tools for Windows machines, except they could only run on the more-expensive Windows NT. This too was headed to eventual failure.

Apple did screw up writing a modern operating system enough that they decided to look at buying one, and I know Be and NeXT were candidates. But I don't think the deciding factor was technical. What Apple's board wanted was Jobs, so I think of the NeXT acquisition as more of an acquihire with some bonus technology.

Yes, Jobs and his investors eventually turned a modest profit on the sale. But Apple quickly shut down all of the NeXT stuff, leaving NeXT developers like me high and dry, which is a strong sign it was not a viable business. So I look at the sale as Jobs's price for rejoining Apple, his way of not admitting failure.

Re:NeXTSTEP on the HP 712 Part 1: Installation by cpach on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @12:23PM (#22119667)
Didn’t quite a lot of the NeXTSTOP code form the base of OS X? AFAIK many functions in macOS and iOS still have the prefix “NS”, which is part of that heritage.
Re:NeXTSTEP on the HP 712 Part 1: Installation by wpietri on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @02:45PM (#22121244)
Sure. That was the "some bonus technology" part. The IP bought from NeXT in 1996 eventually turned into OS X, launched in 2001. At WWDC 1997, They promised us NeXT developers that they wouldn't abandon us. But it turned out that clients don't wait around 3-4 years to find out what's going to happen an OS with no future beyond hazy promises.
Re:NeXTSTEP on the HP 712 Part 1: Installation by mattl on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @05:34PM (#22122804)
I think at that point they thought Rhapsody was going to be enough.