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Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by Ma8ee on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @05:05AM (#22105598)
I don't find it now, but I've read that anecdote is made up. And I don't think it make sense. Except for when you are an absolute beginner, you won't improve if you don't put in any effort in the quality of your work. See deliberate practice etc..
Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by ramblerman on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @05:19AM (#22105647)
I think you are missing the forest for the trees.

The point is to get over that mental hurdle of achieving perfection, which blocks a lot of people from getting started.

Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by twic on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @09:10AM (#22106979)
No, the point of this anecdote is that you get good at quality by pursuing quantity.

It's an appealing idea because it's counterintuitive, and here on HN were are absolute suckers for contrarian ways to outsmart the herd. But we have been given no reason to think it actually works.

Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by summerdown2 on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @12:20PM (#22108972)
Well, in writing terms, it seems to have worked for Ray Bradbury:

> The best hygiene for beginning writers or intermediate writers is to write a hell of a lot of short stories. If you can write one short story a week—it doesn’t matter what the quality is to start, but at least you’re practicing, and at the end of the year you have 52 short stories, and I defy you to write 52 bad ones. Can’t be done. At the end of 30 weeks or 40 weeks or at the end of the year, all of a sudden a story will come that’s just wonderful.

From: https://lithub.com/ray-bradburys-greatest-writing-advice/

... incidentally, also Neil Gaiman's advice in the Masterclass lectures.

The reason it works so well for writing is, as Neil Gaiman points out, that if you work for a year on one story, you've probably practised starting a story 52 times. But you've still only practised finishing a story once. And getting into the habit of finishing things is one of the most important habits to get into.

Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by whoisnnamdi on Friday January 24, 2020 @12:54PM (#22140693)
Really like this piece of advice. Thanks for sharing!
Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by Ma8ee on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @05:36AM (#22105728)
I understand the point they are trying to make, but I still think the anecdote is harmful. It gives the impression that it is more important to put in the work than any real effort. The only thing you’ll be good at after producing 1000 crappy pots is producing crappy pots.
Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by bityard on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @01:28PM (#22109825)
I think you are over-simplifying the situation. Malcom Gladwell's book Outliers popularized the notion that a person needs on average 10,000 hours of practice to truly master a given task. A lot of people took this to mean, "if you put in 10,000 hours of practice, you will become a master." This is not true. The 10,000 hours of practice is necessary, but not sufficient. The practice has to be _intentional_, guided, goal-oriented practice. Not just playing the same song or making the same shot over and over.
Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by Ma8ee on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @02:35PM (#22110612)
That was exactly my point. It is harmful to believe that mindless practicing, or pottery, will make you a master just because you put in the time or prescribed number of pots. How am I oversimplifying?
Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by kortex on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @09:05AM (#22106938)
It's also tinted by the fact that learning a skill is usually logarithmic. If you are a student with no pot-making skills, those first few pots are gonna give a lot of XP. I think it'd be a different outcome if done with more experienced potters.
Re:Tricks to start working despite not feeling like it by imtringued on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @06:09AM (#22105882)
High quality crappy pots.