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Re:Pharo 8.0 by Zenchess on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:08PM (#22101728)
I always use smalltalk when the problem would allow for it since I'm much more productive in smalltalk than anything else. It's great for certain random tasks - i.e. Want to set up a websocket server for some reason? Program it in smalltalk, test it interactively (literally debugging on execution errors, fixing and resuming execution until it works).

  If I'm writing a native windows app I'll go with dolphin smalltalk which imo is much nicer to work with and gives you a native gui.  I have to say though pharo is getting better all the time and has an active community.
Re:Pharo 8.0 by nundah on Monday January 20, 2020 @08:46PM (#22103666)
Dolphin Smalltalk. Such an underrated tool. Productivity + Windows-native gui. Nothing else like it. The Pharo Spec/2 pales in comparison.
Re:Pharo 8.0 by rbanffy on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @10:01AM (#22107464)
IF you are developing a Windows-only application.
Re:Pharo 8.0 by nundah on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @07:52PM (#22113470)
Yup, and that is the reason I refused to look at it for so long. And then I went to work for a large corporate where Windows is mandated since forever and will be until eternity. And from my impression most businesses wont touch any other OS for use on desktops.

You can of course use Wine/Wineskin and there are guides on how to get this done for Dolphin apps, but I just wont bother for my clients. Not one has ever mentioned compatibility with anything other than Windows 10.

Re:Pharo 8.0 by rbanffy on Wednesday January 22, 2020 @02:57AM (#22115552)
> And from my impression most businesses wont touch any other OS for use on desktops.

True, but more and more software is delivered using web-based technologies - from desktop apps like Slack to most SaaS offerings.