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Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by jariel on Saturday January 18, 2020 @06:53PM (#22088274)
"What is this protection that the US provides"

The US has bases all over Europe, they spend a fortune on their own defensive tech, capabilities and leadership which Germany et. al. depend on, which acts as a massive deterrent, but also provides security partners with 'almost free R&D'. Also, the US specialises and practices so many things that are just far beyond the reach of pretty much all European forces.

The ability to put bases, air support of all kinds, intelligence, drones, etc. pretty much anywhere is basically beyond most of Europe. When a war broke out on their border (Libya), for better or worse there was an intervention. Obama reluctantly agreed and didn't want to play a lead role, but without US drones, AWACS, and electronic warfare, special forces on the ground, the UK and French fighters wouldn't have been able to do anything at all. This is actually quite a good demonstration of how specific capabilities are huge enablers of others.

Trump's NATO talking point about partners not spending enough is very fair, and most European nations are in violation of the treaty, which is doubly problematic because while NATO is strategically beneficial to the US, it's basically vital to European integrity -> they need it more than the US and spend only 1/2 of what was agreed upon.

If the US simply 'did not exist' - Russian Imperialism would reach just about as far as in the Soviet era. Basically, Poland would be back to being the 'buffer' between Germany and Russia.

Everyone in the 1990's thought all of that would melt with the cold war, unfortunately, neither China nor Russia moved along the expected path, so here we are.

American sanctions of Iran are not remotely big enough to make a dent in currency issues.

I do however think that as finance spreads into different areas, Americans will have more difficulty with said sanctions. Dubai exists as a financial centre basically because it's outside the direct influence or insight of American or European agencies. It's basically an entire micro-economy of dirty money.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by La1n on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:04AM (#22090101)
>If the US simply 'did not exist' - Russian Imperialism would reach just about as far as in the Soviet era

We can speculate a lot, but that's a this is, speculation. This comment and a lot of others smell of American exceptionalism to me as a non US citizen.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by hopia on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:46AM (#22090245)
If there was no Cold War, or there was one that Russia would've won against Western Europe, half of Europe would still be occupied as the USSR wouldn't have fallen.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by La1n on Sunday January 19, 2020 @08:16AM (#22091275)
Alternate history is fun to think about, but again, nothing more than speculation and fiction.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by 4bpp on Sunday January 19, 2020 @06:16AM (#22090779)
> The ability to put bases, air support of all kinds, intelligence, drones, etc. pretty much anywhere is basically beyond most of Europe. When a war broke out on their border (Libya), for better or worse there was an intervention. Obama reluctantly agreed and didn't want to play a lead role, but without US drones, AWACS, and electronic warfare, special forces on the ground, the UK and French fighters wouldn't have been able to do anything at all. This is actually quite a good demonstration of how specific capabilities are huge enablers of others.

I'm not sure this can really be considered an instance of "protection" provided by the US. As far as I remember, the Libyan war was more of an instance of civilian unrest that the government was equipped to and on the verge of dealing with when American intervention toppled it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_...), thus causing the present state where no one faction is strong enough to control the whole country. In fact, it is hard to think of any protracted armed conflict on Europe's periphery in the past two decades that was not either directly instigated or least comes with a strong case of having been surreptitiously promoted by the US.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by jariel on Sunday January 19, 2020 @09:53AM (#22091699)
First, I was indicating that this 'ability to project force' is protection, I wasn't indicating that the war in Libya was a form of protection.

Second, I don't think it's fair to say the conflicts in Europe's periphery are surreptitiously promoted by the us: the war in Crimea, Russia invasion of Georgia, conflict in Yugoslavia, 'Troubles' in Ireland etc. - these were not 'made in the USA'. Neither was the Arab Spring.

Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by LifeLiverTransp on Saturday January 18, 2020 @07:24PM (#22088448)
? Dirty money is welcome anywhere. The whole overpriced apartment ghost towns that spread in most popular american cities are basically storage for dirty money.
Re:America’s aggressive use of sanctions endangers the dolla... by erikpukinskis on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:36PM (#22092644)
Yes, I would like to see a more specific breakdown of what crimes Dubai will protect specifically and what crimes the US will and what crimes the EU does.

I would not be surprised to hear there is some qualitative difference, but I think it should be explained before we accept either “Dubai is dirtier” or “everywhere is equally dirty” premise.