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Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by chii on Thursday January 16, 2020 @08:41AM (#22064378)
> we should also be aware of the consequences of it.

which is that an authoritarian regime is never a good thing.

Society requires that bad actors be publicly visible and called out, as this creates a pressure for them to act sensibly. The first thing an authoritarian regime implements is censorship and apply any chilling effect they can, because they know this is the only way they can hide their acts from the public at large.

Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by amiga_500 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @10:39AM (#22065487)
The West is just better at obfuscating via softer power.

What's happening with Epstien's case now? Who in the press will continue to follow that up? Some guy might try to keep on it, and then get told at the end of the year that he's been cut due to a profit warning or whatever. Who's going to keep on writing about Prince Andrew not being arrested?

Different methods but pretty-much the same lack of visibility.

Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by MockObject on Thursday January 16, 2020 @10:47AM (#22065560)
> Who in the press will continue to follow that up?

Dr. Oz, today at 1300 hours.

"Jeffrey Epstein had burst capillaries in his eyeballs after he died which pathologist tells Dr. Oz suggests he was STRANGLED and did not hang himself"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7894685/The-burst-c...

Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by amiga_500 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @10:56AM (#22065667)
How does that contradict what I said? Until it's put to trial successfully, with full information and prosecutions of some very, very well known people, they all got away with it.
Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by SpicyLemonZest on Thursday January 16, 2020 @11:17AM (#22065927)
Come on, you know you're moving the goalposts here. There's a big difference between "no visibility, nobody in the media will talk about it" and "in the media constantly but Epstein's friends don't get prosecuted".
Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by zaroth on Thursday January 16, 2020 @11:51AM (#22066279)
The difference is much more stark than that. Iran has murdered perhaps a thousand protestors in the last year. [1]

> "Verified video footage indicates severe violence was used against protesters, including armed members of security forces shooting from the roof of a justice department building in one city, and from helicopters in another," Bachelet said in a statement. "We have also received footage which appears to show security forces shooting unarmed demonstrators from behind while they were running away, and shooting others directly in the face and vital organs – in other words shooting to kill."

There is no equivalency here at all. Iran is a failed and murderous regime.

Here’s hoping that Iran’s disastrous response and capitulation in the face of the US killing Suleimani will weaken the Ayatollah enough in the eyes of the people and provoke further rebellion. The Iranian people have incredible potential but they have been choked under the boot of Khamenei for so long.

[1] - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-says-iran-may-have-ki...

Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by amiga_500 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @12:35PM (#22066783)
That's the soft power part. We are "free" in the West!

I also like that you quoted me with

> "no visibility, nobody in the media will talk about it"

And I didn't write that.

Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by viklove on Thursday January 16, 2020 @03:19PM (#22068440)
> Who in the press will continue to follow that up?

You said this, which is pretty much the same.

Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by duxup on Thursday January 16, 2020 @11:26AM (#22066023)
In the West there's a heck of a lot better chance / freedom to actually continue looking into cases.
Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by nyolfen on Thursday January 16, 2020 @10:42AM (#22065513)
Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by amiga_500 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @10:52AM (#22065609)
Let's see. Nobody went to jail for 2008, they just stonewalled it.
Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by koheripbal on Thursday January 16, 2020 @01:41PM (#22067488)
In fact, people did go to jail.

Here's just one example, but there are others...

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/seven-defendants-mortgage-ori...

Also, the CEOs and employees of the banks like Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch in question large portions of their life savings.

The CEO of Lehman, for example, lost 50% of his net worth - over 4 Billion dollars. ...and obviously destroyed his reputation. Well deserved, of course, but it's hardly "no punishment".

...the same was true with most if not all senior employees. All of them had large portions of their compensation in equity stock options. I'm, unfortunately, speaking from experience.

It's one thing to say the people "responsible" didn't get punished enough - that's true. But most people at these banks definitely suffered, materially.

Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by chii on Friday January 17, 2020 @12:14AM (#22072076)
when people argue that they didn't go to jail, i take it to mean that those who were "responsible" didn't suffer "enough". Where enough is taken to mean an eye for an eye.

Whether you subscribe to this sort of thinking is up to you - i don't, but the result is that the people who suffered don't feel they've been vindicated nor made whole, and the world has moved on since.

Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by tnel77 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @11:45AM (#22066211)
Genuine question: what laws were broken in 2008 (assuming you are referencing the ‘Great Recession’)?
Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by callalex on Thursday January 16, 2020 @12:48PM (#22066933)
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Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by nyolfen on Thursday January 16, 2020 @06:36PM (#22070274)
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Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by deogeo on Thursday January 16, 2020 @12:47PM (#22066916)
> which is that an authoritarian regime is never a good thing.

Yes, it is better for a superpower to fabricate evidence for a war [1] resulting in an estimated six hundred thousand dead [2] (and a few corporate-friendly laws [3]), than letting an authoritarian regime stand. But I'm sure this time, things will work out better.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationale_for_the_Iraq_War

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Orders

Re:How The New York Times Verified the Iran Missile-Strike F... by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday January 16, 2020 @11:29AM (#22066048)
Not much different from a Senate willfully ignoring witnesses to a crime.