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Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by tptacek on Thursday February 10, 2011 @04:44PM (#2203922)
It is completely off-topic.†

People will want meat to dig into for a meta-argument about global politics and I'm not going to offer it up, but let it just be said: it's very bad for HN that this stuff is being covered so prominently on the site. It absolutely, positively a slippery slope.

The site is clearly tacking away from serving entrepreneurial hackers and towards serving smart people who want a place to talk about everything they care deeply about.

I'm not writing my goodbye note or anything, but I'm having more and more of my best conversations in private cliques and off HN because HN is becoming less and less hospitable to those kinds of conversations.

† Need evidence? Graham appears to have manually weighted it off the front page; just a little while ago, a Mubarak story was parked there with 237 votes.

Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by _delirium on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:07PM (#2204028)
Eh, I don't see it as any worse than any of the other miscellaneous distractions that've cropped up over the year I've been posting here (admittedly I don't know much of what it was like before then). Sometimes they're the top thing for a day or two, but not that big a proportion overall. We had 2 or 3 weeks where for some reason fitness/exercise/weightlifting was a big thing here ("hacking your body"), then there was a flurry of articles on dating and pick-up artists ("hacking dating"), etc. And generic politics/economics threads date back a few years, from what I can tell in the archives (a million rounds of libertarians v. social-democrats).

edit: As just one example, here's a 2007 HN debate on unions, with a mixture of good discussion and political acrimony, and a side thread where people debate whether this kind of debate belongs on HN, or should stay on reddit: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20249

Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by nir on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:25PM (#2204112)
People tend to have much stronger opinions/prejudice on politics than on fitness.

It's interesting to read non-hacking discussions in HN when they are from a perceptive (vs. judgmental) standpoint. As it is now, there isn't really much difference between Egypt threads here and in Reddit (yeah, I know we're not supposed to compare. HN isn't Reddit yet, but HN geo-political discussions are)

Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by MoreMoschops on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:13PM (#2204044)
This is just "hacking politics" :)
Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by jeromec on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:03PM (#2204017)
I have to disagree that the site is tacking away from serving entrepreneurial hackers. PG just recently posted that the site, even with all of its growth, seems to have kept fairly well the integrity of the homepage and quality of discussion. I can understand a fear that non-hackerish topics can threaten to steer a site more into the mainstream, but I don't think that's a worry with something like this because these kinds of events are not to be expected to occur all the time.
Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by tptacek on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:21PM (#2204094)
Then Graham is wrong. I appreciate the effort he puts in and that his heart is in the right place, but the metrics I've seen from him aren't compelling (for instance, /classic, compared to just comparing front pages with archive.org and --- particularly --- which threads generate the most heat).

And, sorry, but I've been watching conversations like this one for something like 3.5 years now, and this is a real issue.

Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by MrFlibble on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:13PM (#2204048)
A lot of HN users are also Redditors, and personally I think Reddit (perhaps r/worldnews or r/worldpolitics) would be a more appropriate forum for this type of thing.

That said, this particular ongoing incident is really really big. Like Tiananmen Square or Berlin Wall big. Once in a while something is important and far reaching enough for us all to shift focus for a moment.

Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by tptacek on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:24PM (#2204106)
Everybody thinks the things they are passionate about are important enough "for us all to shift focus for a moment".
Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by MrFlibble on Thursday February 10, 2011 @11:09PM (#2205132)
True, however I think we can all recognize this as an event that could shift the political and power structure of the entire Middle East (should those dominoes start to fall). Even if politics bores you, this is of major significance regardless of personal opinions.
Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by mst on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:06PM (#2204023)
Perhaps the problem is that there isn't really anywhere that serves that niche.

Not that I'm offering to try and fill it - but perhaps somebody else on here might want to give it a go?

Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by davidw on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:17PM (#2204076)
> Perhaps the problem is that there isn't really anywhere that serves that niche.

The problem is that politics is poisonous for most sites. It really quickly degrades into the same rehashed arguments and name calling and other garbage.

Re:Mubarak says that he will not be leaving office by VladRussian on Thursday February 10, 2011 @05:16PM (#2204073)
> "serving entrepreneurial hackers "

well, one can make an argument how revolution is a social hack, and vice versa - hacking in software industry has frequently been a particular manifestation of general phenomena of people not wanting to just go with the flow of the established system, and wanting to change it instead. Open source movement ~20 years ago or WikiLeaks today seems to be very illustrations of it.