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Re:Education and Men without Work by roenxi on Monday January 13, 2020 @04:04PM (#22038561)
It is a well written article for presenting facts. The lack of solutions is welcome to me; and I recall that the word 'crisis' is closer to meaning an unstable situation than an actual problem.

The big open question here is what exactly should these people doing instead? 'Getting a job' is meaningless in itself - it isn't an end goal like 'secure my family's future'. If someone can survive comfortably without working then that is exactly what they should be doing; work isn't especially fun unless someone is a bit lucky with what they enjoy. The obvious 'solution' to me is to find a way to make these men more attractive to women so they can all start a family too; but the big problem there is there might not be enough women and they might not be interested in families so that is another dead-on-arrival idea.

The only concerning part of the picture is the rise in suicides and the likely fact that the experience is lonely and unpleasent. The not-working part could be construed the silver lining in the story.

Re:Education and Men without Work by tathougies on Monday January 13, 2020 @04:10PM (#22038615)
> If someone can survive comfortably without working then that is exactly what they should be doing; work isn't especially fun unless someone is a bit lucky with what they enjoy.

As someone planning on retiring early, I completely agree, but these men are dependent on government benefits, which, being taken from my paycheck, are lengthening the amount of time I have before I can retire.

Re:Education and Men without Work by kaibee on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @09:54AM (#22045193)
> As someone planning on retiring early, I completely agree, but these men are dependent on government benefits, which, being taken from my paycheck, are lengthening the amount of time I have before I can retire.

I mean, you're not technically wrong, but that accounts for a minuscule amount of the excess value you create. Unless you're your own boss/running your own business (I'm assuming you're not since you're talking about your paycheck), most that excess value is taken by the company owners you're working for. But it doesn't show up on your paycheck, so I guess its out of mind, and its certainly easier/safer to blame those with less power than you.

Re:Education and Men without Work by kevingadd on Monday January 13, 2020 @04:29PM (#22038844)
"taken from your paycheck" is a bit of an overstatement. many people on federal or state disability have previously paid into the social security, disability etc pools with paycheck deductions just like you have. the average person on benefits is not a freeloader.

when I got put on disability by my doctor, you weren't paying for me to not work. I was, because I've been paying into the fund for my entire career just like you have

Re:Education and Men without Work by refurb on Monday January 13, 2020 @06:23PM (#22039906)
If you’re on disability, it doesn’t take long to receive more back in benefits than you put in.

The system works because most people never draw a dime.

Re:Education and Men without Work by linuxftw on Monday January 13, 2020 @04:08PM (#22038599)
> If someone can survive comfortably without working then that is exactly what they should be doing

Sure, as long as they are able to afford this on their own dime. Why should others have to work so some can stay at home all day?

Re:Education and Men without Work by ameister14 on Monday January 13, 2020 @04:39PM (#22038955)
From a utilitarian perspective, there are follow-on effects to homelessness that we don't want to encourage. That's why.
Re:Education and Men without Work by matz1 on Monday January 13, 2020 @04:25PM (#22038799)
>Why should others have to work so some can stay at home all day?

they don't have to, they can stay at home too but stay at home can be very depressing.