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Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by guelo on Sunday January 12, 2020 @08:19PM (#22031078)
A big part of the problem is the US's annoying penchant for privatization which then means you need a profit motive. There's a revoltion against any kind of program purely for the public good.
Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by WillPostForFood on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:19PM (#22031316)
Come on, the student loan program has been almost entirely taken over by the government. It is an example of the literal opposite of privatization. Citing a progressive source here:

... federal student loans, which are the largest single source of college debt, representing more than 92 percent of outstanding student loan balances.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-postsecond...

Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by wayoutthere on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:36PM (#22031395)
The federal student loan programs are actually awful value-wise. If you're in a degree program that typically pays well upon graduation, private student loans usually offer much lower interest rates -- lower than even the subsidized federal loans. I got my loans from SoFi at 4.5%; federal rate was around 7.5%.

The way federal student loans work right now (auto-approved at high interest rates with no cap or restrictions on degree program) basically ensured a generation of Americans were bound to wage-slavery.

Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by bsanr2 on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:41PM (#22031411)
Much like subprime loans, they're often the only ones available to the ones most in need of them. The idea of "risk" based on things like one's race or or location of residence or income actually INCREASING the price of these loans is cynical and deplorable.
Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by toasterlovin on Monday January 13, 2020 @01:38AM (#22032349)
Do you have evidence that race is used? I’m almost certain that would be illegal.
Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by bsanr2 on Monday January 13, 2020 @11:37AM (#22035926)
It's illegal, and it's totally been used.

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/opinion/wells-fargo-se...

That was the instance they were caught for mortgages, but it's happened infamously and recently in auto loans, farm loans, and business loans also. It's unlikely that covert discrimination wouldn't then extend to student loans.

While that likely phenomenon is hidden, what does happen out in the open is that interest rates are higher for people who live in majority-black neighborhoods, which also correlates to a higher default rate. That means one of two things. The intent could be to discriminate against black people by suffusing the loan terms with America's general distrust of black people (and considering the history of racism in lending across all loan types, I don't doubt that this is the case). Alternatively, non-black people in majority-black neighborhoods might be subject to the same high rates; in that case, direct discrimination isn't taking place, but it shows that the banks are setting rates knowing that they'll result in higher interest payments and defaults.

Unfortunately, there's no way to know because the banks refuse to reveal their formulas or allow matched pair testing.

Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by bsanr2 on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:38PM (#22031403)
That was something put into place by the Obama administration. which was years after the status quo had been set by private corporations, when the government began letting them administer federal loans (in the 90s, I believe).
Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by guelo on Monday January 13, 2020 @12:05AM (#22031974)
The loans are from private lenders and gauranteed by the government. If it was just a government program they wouldn't have had to have the draconian anti bankruptcy provisions which were put in place to attract the private lenders.

That's also why Obamacare had to be this rube goldberg public/private complication.

Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by WillPostForFood on Monday January 13, 2020 @01:26AM (#22032285)
That hasn't been true for a decade. There are still old private loans out there, but since 2010 student loans are directly made by the government, and make up almost all the market. You might have a secondary private loan, but you'd start with a govt. loan.

https://studentaid.gov/

Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by jlawson on Sunday January 12, 2020 @08:41PM (#22031173)
No, there's an understanding that nobody works 'purely for the public good' because we have no selfless angels that we can assign to run the government.

Since we only have selfish humans, they'll always work for their own good - whether it's profit motive in an open market, or political power and attached financial benefits.

Jeez, imagine how easy society would be if we could actually create government programs 'purely for the public good'. I'd love to live in a world where everything didn't become as corrupt as it structurally can.

Re:Judge rules that student loan debt is dischargeable in ba... by nl on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:23PM (#22031339)
Jeez, imagine how easy society would be if we could actually create government programs 'purely for the public good'. I'd love to live in a world where everything didn't become as corrupt as it structurally can.

It's ironic that in much of the world this is the case. Specifically, in this thread the Canadian system was mentioned and the Australian system is similar.