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Re:Demoted and Placed on Probation by nilkn on Sunday January 12, 2020 @04:38PM (#22029657)
It’s not that there are some people who use it “that way.” It’s the standard usage: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_guys

No need to make this personal with your last sentence.

Re:Demoted and Placed on Probation by DoreenMichele on Sunday January 12, 2020 @04:48PM (#22029741)
I don't think that's "making this personal." It's not intended as some kind of personal attack.

Someone other than me noted that this is a phenomenon in some parts of the US. I posted to support that assertion. You have made multiple comments telling me I'm wrong about this when my claim is "I, personally, fit the profile" and you keep citing general usage.

I may be "wrong" by some metric or other to see it as masculine, but I'm living proof some Americans do, in fact, view it that way. You do appear to be having some trouble accepting that assertion, given that you basically are trying to tell me I'm wrong about my testimony about my opinion about the phrase, which really is quite baffling to me that anyone would try to tell me that.

Re:Demoted and Placed on Probation by nilkn on Sunday January 12, 2020 @04:54PM (#22029789)
I don’t believe I ever used the term “wrong.” I said you’re the only American I’ve encountered, offline or online, to maintain that “you guys” can only refer to groups of men. That’s all I’ve said, and that’s probably the end of this conversation.

The women I work with use this phrase probably more than anyone else I work with, so there’s not much practical for me to take away from this exchange.

Re:Demoted and Placed on Probation by DoreenMichele on Sunday January 12, 2020 @05:37PM (#22030097)
None of this was intended to be "practical" in your life out in meat space.

I only mentioned my gender due to the larger context of the discussion. The implication is there are women who, like me, view "guys/you guys" as masculine and (unlike me) would make a big deal out of it. This seems pertinent to the piece being discussed and wasn't intended to suggest anything about women generally, much less women you personally know in meat space.

Re:Demoted and Placed on Probation by nilkn on Sunday January 12, 2020 @05:58PM (#22030262)
For what it’s worth, the topic has never been whether “you guys” is “masculine” but whether it can refer to groups of mixed or not-all-male gender. I do find it odd you have consistently avoided ever making a statement about the gender makeup of groups to which the phrase can refer. I believe it is possible for the phrase to be masculine in a sense and for it to still refer to mixed- or arbitrary-gender groups.

Can you confirm without ambiguity whether you are indeed talking about the same topic as me?