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Re:Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations by indigochill on Sunday January 12, 2020 @10:49AM (#22026767)
>Taking away somebody's right to make a living with their chosen profession or otherwise participate in commerce is economic violence.

The thing is, no company is taking away a creator's right to their living. They may take away the opportunity to make a living on that company's platform, but there's a distinct difference.

YouTube (or Twitch, etc) are providing a service to content creators, that service being hosting and broadcasting their content. Service agreements come with clauses about termination of service. A content creator should never put all their eggs into a single basket lest that service cease to support them for whatever reason.

Re:Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations by xur17 on Sunday January 12, 2020 @11:02AM (#22026878)
> YouTube (or Twitch, etc) are providing a service to content creators, that service being hosting and broadcasting their content. Service agreements come with clauses about termination of service. A content creator should never put all their eggs into a single basket lest that service cease to support them for whatever reason.

This is normally true, but in the "winner takes all" world, not having access to Youtube (or Twitch, etc) is effectively like being cut off from all customers. I experienced this in the past when running an ad supported website. Adsense paid by far the best (> 10x everyone else), so being shut off by them was like being shut off altogether.

And the problem is that for marketplaces it typically is "winner takes all".

Re:Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations by holoduke on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:40PM (#22028157)
Should this, should that. I have heard this so many times. If you are a app developer and became successful on the Google playstore, but not on iTunes store then who are you to say that you should never put all your eggs into a single basket. This would never be a deliberate choice. Fact is, that many business lost everything due dragonic decisions made by big tech companies. Unacceptable. That's why those companies need to be split up. Regions like Europe need to restrict massive US invasion and come up with their own alternatives.
Re:Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations by pb7 on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:56PM (#22028297)
Even if YouTube (or the Play Store) was its own entity, they can still prevent you from publishing on their platforms on a whim. You solve nothing by breaking them up.

Don’t hold your breath on Europe coming up with dominant consumer tech anytime soon.

Re:Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations by BlueTemplar on Sunday January 12, 2020 @11:14PM (#22031758)
Indeed, they need to be either shut down, or banned in Europe. You can't let companies have more power than nation-states !
Re:Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations by asdfeasdffwes on Sunday January 12, 2020 @11:00AM (#22026867)
When I was at Google, a few people there posted on internal forums to celebrate how successfully the deplatforming was in causing financial troubles for the targets.
Re:Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations by aj7 on Sunday January 12, 2020 @02:01PM (#22028342)
If a service provider has a dominant position, it is essentially taking away a right to make a living. Want someone to switch your car for a Yugo?
Re:Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations by jahewson on Sunday January 12, 2020 @11:32AM (#22027151)
> economic violence

This construction is linguistic violence!

Re:Tech giants have as much money and influence as nations by pb7 on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:57PM (#22028309)
Please stop attacking me with your exclamatory violence.