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Re:OpenBSD won't update Firefox, advises users to switch to ESR by floatingatoll on Saturday January 11, 2020 @06:03PM (#22023016)
RedHat’s “streams” model will certainly do a much better job of handling this than the other distributions do today. I hope that the need for having multiple parallel versions of a dependency coexist is incorporated into the other distros, because I’ve lost a lot of sanity this past two decades to the assumption that “one installed version should be enough for anybody” on Linux and BSD servers.
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Re:OpenBSD won't update Firefox, advises users to switch to ESR by ethbro on Saturday January 11, 2020 @06:16PM (#22023106)
FYI, for those like me whose last memory of RedHat packaging was pre-yum: https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2018/11/15/rhel8-introduc...
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Re:OpenBSD won't update Firefox, advises users to switch to ESR by Qerub on Saturday January 11, 2020 @07:38PM (#22023532)
AppStream does not allow installation of multiple versions of the same app AFAIK. I believe this is what they refer to in the clumsy sentence "The one disadvantage of Application Streams from SCLs is that no two streams can be installed at the same time in to the same userspace. However, in our experience, this is not a common use case and is better served using containerization or virtualization to provide a second userspace." in the linked article in the sibling comment.
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Re:OpenBSD won't update Firefox, advises users to switch to ESR by floatingatoll on Sunday January 12, 2020 @12:49AM (#22024711)
Ugh, I did not understand that. I'm so sorry. If I could edit my post to retract it, I would. The NixOS comments from others should still be valid.
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Re:OpenBSD won't update Firefox, advises users to switch to ESR by Conan_Kudo on Sunday January 12, 2020 @05:17AM (#22025522)
You can define AppStreams/modules that are parallel installable. Indeed, that's how the Python AppStreams are set up right now.

However, the default way an AppStream is made eschews parallel installation support.

Red Hat will make parallel-installable AppStreams whenever it is needed. And they can incorporate the content of one AppStream in another if need be.

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Re:OpenBSD won't update Firefox, advises users to switch to ESR by dralley on Saturday January 11, 2020 @11:10PM (#22024412)
Just don't look under the curtains.

It's a good idea in general, and it would be cool to solve this problem, but modular "streams" as they currently exist have so many edge cases that I don't really suggest using them if you can avoid it.

https://lwn.net/Articles/805180/

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Re:OpenBSD won't update Firefox, advises users to switch to ESR by seanparsons on Saturday January 11, 2020 @07:06PM (#22023384)
Already handled in NixOS by Nix.
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Re:OpenBSD won't update Firefox, advises users to switch to ESR by offmycloud on Saturday January 11, 2020 @06:18PM (#22023120)
I hope so, but Fedora is dragging their feet putting out a patched Firefox package on Fedora 30, which is still suppoted.
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Re:OpenBSD won't update Firefox, advises users to switch to ESR by cesarb on Saturday January 11, 2020 @07:58PM (#22023608)
You can check the status for the firefox package in Fedora at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ which shows firefox-72.0.1-1.fc30 as "testing" (that is, you can install through "yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update firefox"). The reason for it not being promoted to stable yet is, according to that page, "disabling automatic push to stable due to negative karma" - that is, the update was marked as broken by a couple of people.
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