Unremovable malware found preinstalled on low-end smartphone sold in the US

Re:Unremovable malware found preinstalled on low-end smartph... by DaiPlusPlus on Friday January 10, 2020 @09:32PM (#22017676)

All modern smartphones came out after XP SP2 so the industry knew the problems with exposed ports - I don’t believe any shipping smartphone in the US today comes with any processes with open listening ports by default (even carrier bundleware) - please correct me if I’m wrong.

That said - because of the sheer number of phones in existence, on IPv4 you’re guaranteed to be running behind a giant NAT operated by your network carrier - and on IPv6 the address space is too big to port-scan (at least) but while it’s no help if attackers know your address - I understand there’s still a mix of carrier-based and handset-based network lockdown going on.

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Re:Unremovable malware found preinstalled on low-end smartph... by mirimir on Saturday January 11, 2020 @02:31PM (#22021782)

Sure, industry learned that exposing ports is dangerous. But they apparently didn't understand the deeper risk of trusting the network.

Cellular baseband is poorly secured, and it's privileged over userland. And its firmware is a closed-source blob, so it's ~impossible to fully assess the risks.

And so it's arguable that adversaries can pwn smartphones through baseband.

That's the analogy to Windows XP machines. Windows Firewall was just a stopgap. What helped most was going from dial-up modems, which are no more secure than network interfaces, to modem/routers with NAT firewalls.

So smartphones ought to have discrete cellular modem/routers. And that's an easy option for the PinePhone, given the kill switch.

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