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Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by AtlasBarfed on Thursday January 09, 2020 @01:34PM (#22004007)
My fundamental question on calorie restriction is that women have been doing it for superficial reasons for quite a while, but women's superior life expectancy seems soley due to high risk behavior by men when they are young and middle age.

I've never seen anything testing that hypothesis.

Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by yojo on Thursday January 09, 2020 @01:50PM (#22004186)
There are actuary tables of average life expectancy given a base age. If you are a 70 yo female, you’re expected to live 2 years more than a 70 yo male.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

It’s possible this difference is a legacy from riskier makes behavior in middle age. I can’t think of a reasonable way to control for this though. Maybe look cross culturally to see if the effect is stable with respect to different male behavior norms?

Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by masklinn on Thursday January 09, 2020 @01:56PM (#22004241)
> If you are a 70 yo female, you’re expected to live 2 years more than a 70 yo male.

The difference is still a year at 86, and doesn't fall to par until supercentenarians.

Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by AtlasBarfed on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:14PM (#22100296)
2 years for 40% reduction in daily calories? No fucking thank you.

You know what blows away the actuarial tables for life expectancy? Exercise. That makes your life better for longer, much more than starving yourself.

Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by munificent on Thursday January 09, 2020 @03:12PM (#22005129)
I wonder how much of that is driven by suicide. Older men commit suicide at much higher rates than older women:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_suicide#/media...

Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by masklinn on Thursday January 09, 2020 @01:52PM (#22004197)
> I've never seen anything testing that hypothesis.

Actuarial tables would tell you.

Though there would also be confounding variables e.g. previous "at risk" behaviour could still be in effect.

Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by trophycase on Thursday January 09, 2020 @02:23PM (#22004532)
"but women's superior life expectancy seems soley due to high risk behavior by men when they are young and middle age"

huh?

Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by blattimwind on Thursday January 09, 2020 @06:36PM (#22007045)
Work, motorcycles, sports, car accidents, ...
Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by bluntfang on Thursday January 09, 2020 @02:10PM (#22004382)
>women have been doing it for superficial reasons

could you list those reasons for us?

Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by lukevdp on Thursday January 09, 2020 @02:50PM (#22004886)
Don’t know why this is getting downvoted. The parent statement is news to me and I would definitely like to see some sources.
Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by LoSboccacc on Thursday January 09, 2020 @06:45PM (#22007104)
not because of the inquiry itself, wich seems valid, but because the way it's posed, which suggests it's just a bait for grandstanding
Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by bluntfang on Thursday January 09, 2020 @03:16PM (#22005179)
it's pretty obvious it's the hackernews patriarchal bubble. men seem to think they know everything about women, and anyone questioning that is put in their place.
Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by retsibsi on Thursday January 09, 2020 @08:18PM (#22007652)
FWIW, I would be interested in hearing why you disagree. I think some of the downvotes probably came because the reasons behind the original statement seem very obvious (there is and has been a lot of social pressure on women to look thin; appearance is commonly referred to as a 'superficial' characteristic), so asking for a list instead of just responding to the obvious interpretation can come across as disingenuous.
Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by bluntfang on Friday January 10, 2020 @08:15AM (#22010694)
I don't think asking for clarification on an ambiguous statement is disingenuous, but I'm willing to listen to why you think that.
Re:Decreasing human body temperature in the U.S. since the i... by retsibsi on Friday January 10, 2020 @04:45PM (#22015925)
I said it can come across as disingenuous, largely because the original statement didn't seem ambiguous to me, nor I suspect to the people who downvoted you. And sometimes people pretend not to have understood something, as a way to indirectly criticize it without having to get specific or engage directly. The topic being potentially a controversial one (relating to gender), it seemed like you might have been hinting that the statement was sexist without actually saying why. But I don't know what your actual intent was. (And I'm still not sure whether you have a disagreement with the main substance, i.e. you doubt there would be a relevant difference in prevalence of calorie restriction in men and women, or you think the use of 'superficial' was disrespectful, or something else.)