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Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by ekianjo on Thursday January 09, 2020 @04:38AM (#21999769)
Well you can also view things a different way. It will be a lot harder for real criminals to get away with anything in the future.

Now it becomes scary only if the authorities decide to go amok and make criminals of us all, but assuming it goes this way without anyone pushing back is not too realistic.

Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by nounaut on Thursday January 09, 2020 @05:12AM (#21999940)
Many of the things we consider just and right today were illegal at one point in time but change was eventually made because of people who would have been considered criminals.
Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by creaghpatr on Thursday January 09, 2020 @07:20AM (#22000569)
Like faking a racially-motivated crime?
Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by iamnothere on Thursday January 09, 2020 @08:49AM (#22001110)
We're already all criminals, with many people inadvertently committing multiple felonies (yes, felonies) every day: https://kottke.org/13/06/you-commit-three-felonies-a-day

This becomes terrifying when you realize the implications for quashing dissent. An inconvenient activist is an easy target for the legal system.

Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by khawkins on Thursday January 09, 2020 @09:39AM (#22001505)
I had the misfortune of looking through your link, finding it to be a waste of time. The "committing three felonies a day" is the title of a book, the Amazon reviews claim it to be extreme hyperbole and just a series of case studies where the process of the law was admittedly abused.

The other anecdote in that link is the story of Joseph P. Nacchio, a CEO who was convicted for cashing out over $50 million in stock when the price was around $40, only for the price to drop all the way to $2 a year later. The NSA involvement was a failed bid by his defense to make it seem like his trading was legitimate.

Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by iamnothere on Thursday January 09, 2020 @01:11PM (#22003755)
> a series of case studies where the process of the law was admittedly abused

This is exactly the point. The way the law is written gives prosecutors too much leeway to convict, and if you become a problem in the eyes of the powerful, they can "throw the book at you".

> The other anecdote in that link is the story of Joseph P. Nacchio, a CEO who was convicted for cashing out over $50 million in stock when the price was around $40, only for the price to drop all the way to $2 a year later. The NSA involvement was a failed bid by his defense to make it seem like his trading was legitimate.

You left out how the government canceled their contracts with Qwest after Nacchio refused to give them access to phone records, which impacted the company's health. There were certainly other problems at Qwest, of course, but given the lax prosecution of many others involved in such scandals, it certainly feels like this is an example of this process in action.

Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by vorpalhex on Thursday January 09, 2020 @08:10AM (#22000863)
Only a police state can totally stop crime entirely. As the state is more aggressive in prosecuting crimes, it limits human rights more and more.

Just like security and usability are tradeoffs, so is this.

Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by josefx on Thursday January 09, 2020 @11:49AM (#22002774)
> Only a police state can totally stop crime entirely.

Only if that involves a complete overhaul of the police itself. Currently we have body cams that just fail at convenient times, policemen stalking their ex girlfriends and whistle blowers that get the short end of the stick. Giving the police more and more power is more likely to reach a turning point where it inherently starts to attract the corrupt and power hungry, increasing the abuse well above what we already see.

Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by Mirioron on Thursday January 09, 2020 @06:11PM (#22006872)
The police already attracts the corrupt and power hungry. This is just how security services work and why their power needs to be checked and there has to be oversight.
Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by clSTophEjUdRanu on Thursday January 09, 2020 @08:21AM (#22000935)
If the system ran amok they would just do whatever they want regardless.
Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by nothrabannosir on Thursday January 09, 2020 @06:32AM (#22000313)
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.