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Re:Can Nuclear Power Offer a Way Out of the Climate Crisis? by pmoriarty on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @11:21PM (#21998540)
"Nuclear waste is treated with incredible care and there’s very little of it."

There's very little of it? Really?

Even the Spiegel article says:

"the amount of highly radioactive waste that Germany will have to store indefinitely - a total of around 10,000 tons - would fit inside a largish furniture store"

10,000 tons doesn't sound like very little to me. And that's just Germany.

I don't know the numbers, but I would be shocked if other countries like the US and Russia didn't have way, way, way more.

Re:Can Nuclear Power Offer a Way Out of the Climate Crisis? by keanzu on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @11:36PM (#21998614)
If you piled all 10K tonnes in one place it would a cube less than 20m per side. All the 'highly radioactive waste' for Germany's entire nuclear industry for all of time up until now? That's very little.

The EU Commission reports that in Germany 583 kilograms of waste is produced per person annually. So it takes only ~17,000 Germans to produce 10,000 tonnes of normal waste per year.

Re:Can Nuclear Power Offer a Way Out of the Climate Crisis? by Krasnol on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @11:41PM (#21998624)
Is this including deconstruction waste or just the fuel?
Re:Can Nuclear Power Offer a Way Out of the Climate Crisis? by keanzu on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @11:52PM (#21998663)
The Spiegel article doesn't appear to specify.
Re:Can Nuclear Power Offer a Way Out of the Climate Crisis? by Krasnol on Thursday January 09, 2020 @12:09PM (#22003059)
None of those nuclear ads "specifies". All of those love to ignore this waste just like the overdue reactors which are kept alive through expansive measures while problems are being underreported. Which is just another reason we shouldn't build more of those.
Re:Can Nuclear Power Offer a Way Out of the Climate Crisis? by Krasnol on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @11:25PM (#21998559)
The "treated with care" part is also more like a shortsighted wish. See Asse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine

Waste from decommission is not even included there.

Re:Can Nuclear Power Offer a Way Out of the Climate Crisis? by barry-cotter on Thursday January 09, 2020 @01:26AM (#21998983)
No containment breaches ever sounds pretty great to me. There’s obviously room for improvement but if all you’ve got is that it’s not actually perfect I’ll happily concede that. Meanwhile Germany’s withdrawal from nuclear power has resulted in 1,000 additional deaths per year.

http://papers.nber.org/tmp/26395-w26598.pdf

This paper examines the impact of the shutdown of roughly half of the nuclear production capacity in Germany after the Fukushima accident in 2011. We use hourly data on power plant operations and a novel machine learning framework to estimate how plants would have operated differently if the phase-out had not occurred. We find that the lost nuclear electricity production due to the phase-out was replaced primarily by coal- fired production and net electricity imports. The social cost of this shift from nuclear to coal is approximately 12 billion dollars per year. Over 70% of this cost comes from the increased mortality risk associated with exposure to the local air pollution emitted when burning fossil fuels. Even the largest estimates of the reduction in the costs associated with nuclear accident risk and waste disposal due to the phase-out are far smaller than 12 billion dollars.

Re:Can Nuclear Power Offer a Way Out of the Climate Crisis? by Krasnol on Thursday January 09, 2020 @01:15PM (#22003801)
There was no shift from nuclear to coal in Germany. Throwing numbers around while ignoring the political reality around coal in Germany is bad science.

The is a huge coal lobby and coal in underdeveloped regions being the only employer are right now the main reasons why coal is being kept alive while support for renewables is being kept low.

Not a single coal reactor or mine would have been shut down if nuclear would have still be there.