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Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by ars on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @08:56PM (#21997791)
> Queue the Google alternative posts.

How would that help? They'll just get a warrant for those.

> This is some terrifying stuff.

You have a strange definition of terrifying. This is how the law is supposed to work.

You do realize they can also go in his house and search through his things? Or order his friends to talk? That's what search warrants are.

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Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by keanzu on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:07PM (#21997861)
> How would that help? They'll just get a warrant for those.

In terms of e-mail, any service that encrypts at rest and doesn't maintain the key can only hand over encrypted data. ProtonMail would be one example.

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Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by thedailymail on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:08PM (#21997865)
>How would that help? They'll just get a warrant for those.

If the business is not based in the US, it will make getting a search warrant much more difficult. Your (e.g.) Protonmail account is less likely to be subpoenaed than your Gmail.

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Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by keanzu on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:14PM (#21997895)
Even if user data were seized, it would be impossible to decipher because of ProtonMail's encryption. Unlike Gmail or Outlook, email you send with ProtonMail is encrypted before it's sent to the ProtonMail servers.
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Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by ars on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:30PM (#21998000)
Then they would seize his phone and use that to decrypt the email.

Or order him to turn over his own email.

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Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by keanzu on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:46PM (#21998066)
> Or order him to turn over his own email.

Which they could have done in this case. So why subpoena Google?

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Re:Judge orders Google to turn over a full year of actor’s data by tedunangst on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @10:12PM (#21998228)
Apparently some concern he might accidentally click delete instead of duplicate. Non technical user and all. Google staff have more training.
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