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Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by halbritt on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @05:59PM (#21996696)
I agree that the comparison deserves merit, but it's a lengthy discussion. I'd presented a simple dichotomy.

> ...use to grow just fine on their own. We've cultivated them to be dependent. It doesn't seem unreasonable to think we can cut carbon emissions beyond 100% (eventually)

There are a couple of constraints there. We have a limited amount of arable land to feed the world's population and a significant amount of the carbon emissions in modern farming practices comes from harvesting and transport.

I can't see any way to harvest and transport agriculture products without carbon emissions today.

Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by 6510 on Thursday January 09, 2020 @02:54AM (#21999316)
We could eat where it grows and grow where we eat :).. Back to the trees!...or wait... LEDs are pretty epic already, I could see myself grow salad in the cup board. Then there is the Personal Food Computer for more advanced stuff (back on familiar soil?) https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/personal-food-computer/ov...

I like how hn always finds a way to blame everything on programmers. Who would have thought carbon emissions are our fault? (I hope its to blame on my silly mood)

Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by halbritt on Thursday January 09, 2020 @01:38PM (#22004056)
You could grow salad in the cupboard. Lettuce is one of the few crops that would be economical to grow under indoor lighting. I believe that info comes from here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsaufB5F8dk

If you think LEDs have gotten epic, check out his research. They're just getting to be more efficient than HPS.