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Re:US emissions fell 2.1% in 2019 by scarmig on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @01:10PM (#21994073)
Specifying that the choice is between zero emissions and bust, and then rejecting intermediate solutions, is a sure way to get bust.
Re:US emissions fell 2.1% in 2019 by pier25 on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @01:25PM (#21994249)
Progressively moving investments and subsidies to renewables is the intermediate solution, not fracking.
Re:US emissions fell 2.1% in 2019 by scarmig on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @01:40PM (#21994393)
That can and must happen in parallel with replacement of coal with cleaner sources of energy, even if they involve emissions.

Full decarbonization can't in any sense be considered an intermediate solution, because there's not even a small working example of it anywhere in the world or any plausible proposal to get from here to there on the timescale we need to avoid disaster.

Re:US emissions fell 2.1% in 2019 by pier25 on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:21PM (#21995359)
> Full decarbonization can't in any sense be considered an intermediate solution

I agree, but progressively moving to renewables is not full decarbonization either.

Energy production is not the only source of emissions:

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emiss...

And even if it was, best case scenario it will take a couple of decades to switch away from fossil fuels.

> there's not even a small working example of it anywhere in the world or any plausible proposal to get from here to there on the timescale we need to avoid disaster

Yes but we are in uncharted territory. We don't know how to do it but humanity has to find a way and fracking is certainly not part of where we need to go.

The sensible decision would have been to invest in renewables instead of fracking. Fracking has been a total waste of money even ignoring all the environmental problems it is causing.

James Hansen talked to congress about climate change in the 80s, it's not like this is a new issue.

Re:US emissions fell 2.1% in 2019 by MiroF on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @07:35PM (#21997358)
France is basically decarbonized for electricity. It is very attainable with nuclear.
Re:US emissions fell 2.1% in 2019 by kiliantics on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @05:56PM (#21996663)
We have run out of time for intermediate solutions. A reduction of 2% (globally!) would have maybe been sufficient pre-2000. Today we need a reduction of 15% PER YEAR if we have any hope of keeping temperature increase within 1.5 degrees Celsius -- which is already a Very Bad Thing to happen as is.

https://twitter.com/CarbonBrief/status/1209025851343413248

We need extreme radical measures now. This tiny effect that happens to have occurred despite not changing anything about the fundamental logic of our economy and our relationship to energy is nothing to pat ourselves on the back about.

Re:US emissions fell 2.1% in 2019 by pier25 on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @06:24PM (#21996885)
> if we have any hope of keeping temperature increase within 1.5 degrees Celsius

We're already past 2ºC if you consider climate lag, aerosols cooling, and feedbacks.

See this comment of mine from a couple of months ago with links and such:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20544252