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Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by dmitriid on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @04:44AM (#21989912)
I live in Sweden which has an abundance of apples. All year round there are only two or three Apple varieties in the stores: Royal Gala, Golden, Pink Lady. Same goes for pears.

Where are the rest of Apple varieties? No one knows.

Well, some people do [1] Profits, economics, transportation.

[1] https://pitjournal.unc.edu/article/where-have-all-apples-gon...

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by teh_klev on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @06:35AM (#21990479)
> Where are the rest of Apple varieties? No one knows.

From the article:

Due to the demands of industrial farming, only a handful of apple varieties make it to stores, and even of those, only the most uniform specimens sit on the shelves. Growers have abandoned many delicious or beautiful varieties that have delicate skin, lower-yield trees, or greater susceptibility to disease.

Then there's the wholesale destruction of old and disease free orchards which has seen the availability of once popular cultivars vanish. It's a crime really.

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by yoz-y on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @06:53AM (#21990570)
> delicate skin, lower-yield trees, or greater susceptibility to disease

All of these are very valid reasons to not try to mass produce them. Even if they would be available from some person's orchard, they would still not be available in the shops or markets.

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by NeedMoreTea on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @07:59AM (#21990976)
It was all lead by the supermarkets, in the UK at least.

The two or three favourite varieties in the seventies and eighties have all disappeared. Not because customers no longer like them, but because the supermarkets wanted high yield, large size, taste free apples. More profit, and vast suppliers who'd supply a trillion tonnes at a time.

In the space of a decade the entire stock of trees for the UK's number one and two were grubbed up. The customers still wanted them, still asked for them, the supermarket response was "fuck you".

Now it's all Royal Gala, Golden Revolting^W Delicious, Pink Lady, Braeburn. All bland balls of taste free sugar.

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by rsynnott on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @11:38AM (#21992968)
> Golden Revolting^W Delicious

The proper term is "Yellowish Horrible". A completely pointless apple.

Not sure if they do it in the UK, but Tesco, of all places, sometimes sells nice local apples when they're in season in Ireland.

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by lotsofpulp on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @10:16AM (#21992119)
> The customers still wanted them, still asked for them, the supermarket response was "fuck you".

There was no other place people could have purchased them?

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by wffurr on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @07:15AM (#21990683)
They could be available from local growers during apple season, but they aren't suitable for year round distribution from a central location.

Strawberries are noticeably different even at the grocery stores in the summer in New England.

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by gyuserbti on Thursday January 09, 2020 @06:50AM (#22000410)
I agree but there are many varieties that could meet and have met the criteria for public sales, except for current trends in appearance or taste.

It's really remarkable how canalized apple markets have become, when you're exposed to alternatives. The fads become somewhat self perpetuating because they shift context of perception (people judge based on what they know).

It's not so much currently popular apples are bad, just that there's lots more out there.

With apples too you have the interesting case of the cider market, hard and soft. You can kind of get a sense of the effects of fads because cider apples can be really different in appearance but otherwise meet other marketability criteria. You end up with different sets of apples, which speaks to what people like when appearance isn't an issue.

I acknowledge texture is an issue in eating vs drinking, and that cider apples are blended for their charactistics, but many are also varieties that used to be popular eating or cooking apples that drifted in popularity but are still used in cideries because they've stood the test of time and customers like the flavor.

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by dmitriid on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @08:20AM (#21991152)
They would be available in local stores at the very least. However, supermarket chains eat everything up and leave no place for local stores. Even when a supermarket location has deals with local farmers (e.g. for eggs), it will not carry non-lasting products such as apples.
Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by ghaff on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @08:50AM (#21991358)
Depends where you live. Where I live in New England there are lots of local orchards and supermarkets carry maybe a dozen varieties. Probably more than the farm stands actually because some varieties like Granny Smiths are mostly not grown locally.

Of corse where I live is pretty much apple orchard central. My neighbor has an orchard and “Johnny Appleseed” was from the next town over.

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by yoz-y on Thursday January 09, 2020 @05:01AM (#21999891)
This. This holidays I've visited a friend and they have a shop that just sells apples from the orchard just next to it. Doesn't solve the availability problem but nothing will.
Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by dmitriid on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @12:00PM (#21993250)
> Depends where you live.

True. Local stores are nearly non-existent in Sweden. Even the smallest ones belong to a supermarket chain.

Re:Around the World in Rare and Beautiful Apples by justincormack on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @07:38AM (#21990835)
In the UK many or most of the less common apple varieties are used to make cider, not for eating. Cider apples are usually smaller and less sweet. And you don’t have to deal with shelf life issues with fresh apples.