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Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by reaperducer on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:09PM (#21985593)
I then realized this was Apple's real reason for eliminating the headphone jack.

To do away with the point of failure that you so aptly illustrated by getting salt water in your phone?

I wouldn't have bothered with the AirPods if my headphone jack had continued to function.

That's you, though. There are clearly millions and millions of people who don't want wires.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by londons_explore on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:14PM (#21985655)
The millions of people want reliability. They want something that just works.

Wires don't just work when they get tangled or broken.

Wireless doesn't just work when it runs out of batteries, gets glitches/interference, or is hassle to pair.

Apple was able to tip the 'just works' balance through good engineering.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by cortesoft on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:03PM (#21986192)
I don't think the person you replied to is saying they wanted wires, just that they were entrenched in using what they had until they were forced to switch. It sounds like they like the new world better, just it took a push to get them to switch.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by vinay427 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:15PM (#21986306)
> To do away with the point of failure that you so aptly illustrated by getting salt water in your phone?

That's Apple's point of failure. The rest of the industry (mostly) has worked out how to make a headphone jack water-resistant.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by vinay427 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:15PM (#21986310)
> To do away with the point of failure that you so aptly illustrated by getting salt water in your phone?

That's Apple's point of failure. The rest of the industry (mostly) has worked out how to make a headphone jack water-resistant, years before Apple made any phone water-resistant at that.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by reaperducer on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:24PM (#21986387)
The rest of the industry (mostly) has worked out how to make a headphone jack water-resistant

Yes, by removing the headphone jack on high-end phones, just like Apple did.

Let's not pretend this is an Apple vs. The Rest Of The Industry sort of thing. The whole sector is going that way; Apple just took the lead.

See also: Floppy drives.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by vinay427 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:27PM (#21986895)
> Yes, by removing the headphone jack on high-end phones, just like Apple did.

No, this is clearly incorrect. As I said in my original comment, there were water-resistant phones with headphones jacks years before Apple released one without a headphone jack, and there are ones being released now as well. While Samsung removed a headphone jack for a generation of their flagship phones, the generations before and after were both water-resistant as well. Samsung's newest releases (S10 Lite and Note10 Lite) both have headphone jacks and are water-resistant.

From years ago: https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/27/apple-if-samsung-and-sony-...